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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

#21
Sorry, but how can this be legal? With his homemade solution, he is not only endangering himself but all the other people in the cars around him.

Usually before you are allowed to use something like this on a public road your stuff has to be tested and approved by the state. At least this is how it is in Europe, does this not matter in the states?

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

#23

>At Google, he found very smart developers who were often assigned mundane tasks like fixing bugs in a Web browser; at Facebook, brainy coders toiled away trying to figure out how to make users click on ads. I'm not sure those two are equally horrible though - fixing complex bugs requires using lot of skills and the high you get when you finally nail it is nothing to miss. Getting people to click on ads though - that…

Ok cool, you find one of them enjoyable. He (subject of the article) finds them both terrible.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #21

Sorry, but how can this be legal? With his homemade solution, he is not only endangering himself but all the other people in the cars around him. Usually before you are allowed to use something like this on a public road your stuff has to be tested and approved by the state. At least this is how it is in Europe, does this not matter in the states?

He's sitting behind the wheel ready to take over, it's not quite the same as making a cup of tea while the car drives itself.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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> Amazed, I ask Hotz what it felt like the first time he got the car to work. >“Dude,” he says, “the first time it worked was this morning.” I can't tell if this is a joke or unbridled hubris. Either way, self driving cars seem like a new hacker space.

Also: "Hotz hadn’t programmed any of these behaviors into the vehicle. He can’t really explain all the reasons it does what it does." Good luck to him understanding how to fix corner cases: he's built a black box.

You're describing the fundamental tradeoff with all neural networks.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #24
post #21

Sorry, but how can this be legal? With his homemade solution, he is not only endangering himself but all the other people in the cars around him. Usually before you are allowed to use something like this on a public road your stuff has to be tested and approved by the state. At least this is how it is in Europe, does this not matter in the states?

He's sitting behind the wheel ready to take over, it's not quite the same as making a cup of tea while the car drives itself.

Yes, but what if his system suddenly decides to turn hard right for no reason while driving fast and he runs into another car, human, tree, whatever and he has no chance to react quickly enough? This is different to a PS3 crashing because he made some error.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #5

> Amazed, I ask Hotz what it felt like the first time he got the car to work. >“Dude,” he says, “the first time it worked was this morning.” I can't tell if this is a joke or unbridled hubris. Either way, self driving cars seem like a new hacker space.

Most of the article reads as a stylized joke, written to make Hotz seem like a Tony Stark sort of figure.

I'm sure he has a good handle on the tech running the car, he's at least looked at licensing it to test on the freeway (learning from the backlash on the Jeep Hack), and he had tested the car extensively before inviting a reporter with children to test it at 70mph on the freeway.

If you include these details and less of the sassy dialogue and flourishes of panache [1], you get a less interesting article.

Bloomberg goes for sexy. Take their reporting with a grain of salt. It's more art than facts-based.

[1] At one point, the virtual-reality company Oculus Rift failed to man its booth at a job fair, and Hotz took it over, posing as a recruiter and collecting résumés from his fellow students. None of this was enough to keep him interested. “I did two semesters [at CMU] and got a 4.0 in their hardest classes,” he says. “I met master’s students who were miserable and grinding away so that they might one day earn a bit more at Google. I was shocked at what I saw and what colleges have become. The smartest people I knew were in high school, and I was so let down by the people in college.”

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #21

Sorry, but how can this be legal? With his homemade solution, he is not only endangering himself but all the other people in the cars around him. Usually before you are allowed to use something like this on a public road your stuff has to be tested and approved by the state. At least this is how it is in Europe, does this not matter in the states?

There are laws[1] allowing public road testing of such cars in a few US states and EU countries.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Legislation

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

#29
The 21" monitor portrait-style in the car is fantastic.

The testing of a hacked-together system on the public road is not. He probably won't kill anyone, but if he were to I suspect he'd get the book thrown at him in the way that everyday death-by-DUI drivers don't.

Actually I'll go futher with this criticism: we've just seen drones being FAA regulated because users were unable to refrain from doing dangerous or nuisance things with them, such as flying near airports. DIY self-driving car research is similarly likely to damage the concept if it goes wrong.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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post #28
post #21

Sorry, but how can this be legal? With his homemade solution, he is not only endangering himself but all the other people in the cars around him. Usually before you are allowed to use something like this on a public road your stuff has to be tested and approved by the state. At least this is how it is in Europe, does this not matter in the states?

There are laws[1] allowing public road testing of such cars in a few US states and EU countries. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Legislation

I doubt this is meant for single individuals instead of a company. I also doubt it is allowed without prior notice.
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