I think this will be quite popular with those who like watching races for the crashes, but also don't want people to get injured.
Oh god there's going to be so many crashes... at first. Then it will catch up to EA's racing AI and become the first casualty in the war against skynet.
Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
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Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#22The "easy" way for AI is to record all telemetry of a super fast human lap and then tweak it with machine learning for subsequent runs. No human is going to be 100% consistent all the time.
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#23So who is going to be interested in motorsports when in 15+ years AI beats the best human drivers? Not only the races will be boring (cheering for an automaton Lewiz Hamiltobot?), but all humans would look like total losers. The "easy" way for AI is to record all telemetry of a super fast human lap and then tweak it with machine learning for subsequent runs. No human is going to be 100% consistent all the time.
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well yeah, it's not much of a sport if there's no one left driving. (Some might say it's not much of a sport anyway, but it seems popular.)
> Some might say it's not much of a sport anyway, but it seems popular Yeah, that is another argument. Not many people understand that driving a F1 car is hugely physically challenging though and drivers need to be in top shape. Us mere mortals would be exhausted after 2 laps and could not hold our head straight for even one high speed corner.
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#25So who is going to be interested in motorsports when in 15+ years AI beats the best human drivers? Not only the races will be boring (cheering for an automaton Lewiz Hamiltobot?), but all humans would look like total losers. The "easy" way for AI is to record all telemetry of a super fast human lap and then tweak it with machine learning for subsequent runs. No human is going to be 100% consistent all the time.
A robotic car could do something no car driven by a human could ever do: drive without fear of losing their life. Which would allow it to take a lot more risk. Humans continuously balance risk and caution, with racing and other dangerous sports having the 'risk' portion of the equation defined as 'you die'. For a robotic car such a risk would be non-existent.
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#26So who is going to be interested in motorsports when in 15+ years AI beats the best human drivers? Not only the races will be boring (cheering for an automaton Lewiz Hamiltobot?), but all humans would look like total losers. The "easy" way for AI is to record all telemetry of a super fast human lap and then tweak it with machine learning for subsequent runs. No human is going to be 100% consistent all the time.
A robotic car could do something no car driven by a human could ever do: drive without fear of losing their life. Which would allow it to take a lot more risk. Humans continuously balance risk and caution, with racing and other dangerous sports having the 'risk' portion of the equation defined as 'you die'. For a robotic car such a risk would be non-existent.
And your objective function would have to feature penalty for "killing yourself" (well, do you want to rebuild your car after each turn? I guess not...), so I would expect the cars will be actually pretty slow due to this initially, like Google's own.
Human motorsports face the problem that all physical records were shattered and humans already crossed the edge of their abilities (i.e. driving 250mph on the ovals is the limit before drivers pass out)[1]. So yes, there could be something interesting for a normal human to see that robotic cars suddenly could push 300, 350, 400mph etc. But what would this do to human motorsports? Relegate them to 'meh' category, basically killing the whole sport as humans would look like kids from a kindergarten comparing to robots.
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#27That's great! It's so obvious that it raises the question of why didn't anybody do this before?
The whole FE formula is still barely doable, they change cars half way because the batteries run out, can't be charged on the go, can't have batteries swapped out. It's planned to be this way for another four years. I imagine many other parts of the current, and of the AI formula, are equally only just possible now.
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#28So who is going to be interested in motorsports when in 15+ years AI beats the best human drivers? Not only the races will be boring (cheering for an automaton Lewiz Hamiltobot?), but all humans would look like total losers. The "easy" way for AI is to record all telemetry of a super fast human lap and then tweak it with machine learning for subsequent runs. No human is going to be 100% consistent all the time.
A robotic car could do something no car driven by a human could ever do: drive without fear of losing their life. Which would allow it to take a lot more risk. Humans continuously balance risk and caution, with racing and other dangerous sports having the 'risk' portion of the equation defined as 'you die'. For a robotic car such a risk would be non-existent.
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#29So who is going to be interested in motorsports when in 15+ years AI beats the best human drivers? Not only the races will be boring (cheering for an automaton Lewiz Hamiltobot?), but all humans would look like total losers. The "easy" way for AI is to record all telemetry of a super fast human lap and then tweak it with machine learning for subsequent runs. No human is going to be 100% consistent all the time.
A robotic car could do something no car driven by a human could ever do: drive without fear of losing their life. Which would allow it to take a lot more risk. Humans continuously balance risk and caution, with racing and other dangerous sports having the 'risk' portion of the equation defined as 'you die'. For a robotic car such a risk would be non-existent.
Risk would come in the form of a weighted measure of replacement costs + loss of driving capabilities during the race. e.g. Probability of damage given a certain move/overtake, and if damages does occur taking into account the expected loss of driving capability and or cost.
Also interesting would be to see how AI would implicitly have to take into account game theory with many agents - e.g. If the car in front of 'me' has been highly aggressive in terms of defending against overtakes - what would 'my' best course of action be? Should I signal to him that his strategy is not a deterrence to me trying to overtake?
Re: Formula E to feature autonomous car racing
#30So who is going to be interested in motorsports when in 15+ years AI beats the best human drivers? Not only the races will be boring (cheering for an automaton Lewiz Hamiltobot?), but all humans would look like total losers. The "easy" way for AI is to record all telemetry of a super fast human lap and then tweak it with machine learning for subsequent runs. No human is going to be 100% consistent all the time.
A robotic car could do something no car driven by a human could ever do: drive without fear of losing their life. Which would allow it to take a lot more risk. Humans continuously balance risk and caution, with racing and other dangerous sports having the 'risk' portion of the equation defined as 'you die'. For a robotic car such a risk would be non-existent.