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Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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post #11

I commented this in a post 3 days ago.it is completely applicable here,I know maybe this is not right thing to do -copying my old cm- but those point I think closely related to the topic.( there will be Isis like groups until West's ally in middle East is most corrupted regime maybe in world.how do you want people to not be terrorist when Saudi Arabia is one of the closest society in planet . how do you expect people…

I think down voters should keep in mind this comment is overcoming a language barrier.

It's hard to read, and the all caps are a bit much, but it's nice to get an outside perspective.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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This is a friendly reminder that the United States have sponsored ISIS when they were still considered freedom fighters against Assad. The United States also happily still do business with ISIS in that they are buying extremely cheap, under market value, oil and capital goods from Iraq exported by ISIS.

Of course, none of this is officially documented, just like how not a dollar its whereabouts, of the 40 billion dollar cash the United States sent to Iraq circa 2004, is documented.

It is no secret the United States have selectively supported "freedom fighters" and militant groups when they deemed that would be more productive for the petrodollar and their Zionist friends than putting their own boots on the ground. Saddam, Osama Bin Laden, Gadaffi, ISIS and countless of others have all been supported by the United States and their removal has always been justified either because they turned their back on the United States and their allies (with Zionists being the most prominent) - or because they could be replaced by a better/cheaper/more productive puppet.

--edit: if you are downvoting this reply, consider offering substantial content to the discussion instead of trying to cloak statements which do not strike well with your opinion or observation of geopolitics. Thanks in advance.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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This is so on point. A prime example of the hypocrisy of western governments. Until we have leaders that truly do what they claim to believe, we deserve everything that comes upon us.

That hypocrisy is one of the legitimate reasons we are often hated around the world. We talk about freedom and justice but we work behind the scenes to prop up tyrannies that are every bit as bad as the "enemies of freedom." We've been doing this for decades and it's destroyed any moral authority we might have once had in the world. That sort of trust, once destroyed, is hard to earn back.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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Article rings true for me. Growing up in the Khaleej, I saw an increasing influence of the Salafi mindset around me. Maybe as a child I didn't pay attention to it, but in my teens and certainly visiting now after a decade, I see a very different, more conservative region.

As an aside, The Mersault Investigation by Kamel Daoud (author of this article) is a very interesting book. I recommend it to people who have liked The Stranger.

Re: Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

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This is so on point. A prime example of the hypocrisy of western governments. Until we have leaders that truly do what they claim to believe, we deserve everything that comes upon us.

So hypocrisy justifies spraying random Frenchmen with machine guns? Think harder.
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