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Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

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Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

#21

Google compute has taken some awesome strides in the last year. I now prefer GCE over AWS, because of pricing (per minute) and simplicity. AWS quickly can get overwhelming and overly complex.

There are some great aspects to Google Compute, but I hope this change results in catch up on features needed for corporate adoption compared to AWS.

The lack of a billing API and the lack of centralized management are really painful if you're trying to adopt it across an organization.

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

#22

Google compute has taken some awesome strides in the last year. I now prefer GCE over AWS, because of pricing (per minute) and simplicity. AWS quickly can get overwhelming and overly complex.

Not just Compute, Google Network, Cloud Storage, Container Engine (Kubernetese is OpenSource, so you can run it internally too), Cloud Shell, Pub/Sub, their new Cloud Console, are awesome.

Pub/Sub is pretty meh. The Google Cloud team still don't seem to understand the need for a Kafka-like unified log service, unlike AWS (Kinesis is 2 years old this week) or even IBM Bluemix (who just launched Message Hub, which is true hosted Kafka).

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

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In 5 years will AWS still have 25% operating margins?

I suspect yes. AWS seems to be pushing hard towards more managed application services (things like lambda) built on top of their core AWS services like EC2 and S3, and they can maintain their margin on those services even if competition drives down the prices on EC2.

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

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post #21

Google compute has taken some awesome strides in the last year. I now prefer GCE over AWS, because of pricing (per minute) and simplicity. AWS quickly can get overwhelming and overly complex.

There are some great aspects to Google Compute, but I hope this change results in catch up on features needed for corporate adoption compared to AWS. The lack of a billing API and the lack of centralized management are really painful if you're trying to adopt it across an organization.

There is a billing API: https://cloud.google.com/billing/

There have been some recent introductions of account and key management that help too.

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

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Did Diane's bebop even launch? I can't find their website. It is kind of frustrating that everybody involved (employees, investors) in bebop are getting a payday, without really putting in much work, or verifying their ideas. Just leaves a sour taste in my mouth (old boys network) as a two-time failed entrepreneur.

It is who you know.

Seriously? You feel it is unfair that Google would talent acquire a company with a founder that revolutionized virtualization and dismiss this with an implication that she was acquired because she knew "the right people" (and you apparently don't) vs. being one of the most impressive people Google could hire to run their cloud business?

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

#26

Did Diane's bebop even launch? I can't find their website. It is kind of frustrating that everybody involved (employees, investors) in bebop are getting a payday, without really putting in much work, or verifying their ideas. Just leaves a sour taste in my mouth (old boys network) as a two-time failed entrepreneur.

You could look at this as a very high-end acquihire.

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

#27

Did Diane's bebop even launch? I can't find their website. It is kind of frustrating that everybody involved (employees, investors) in bebop are getting a payday, without really putting in much work, or verifying their ideas. Just leaves a sour taste in my mouth (old boys network) as a two-time failed entrepreneur.

I understand how you feel but you should realize that this point of view is wrong-headed. Her, or anyone else's, success has zero impact on you so there is no justification to feel bad about their achievements being "undeserved".

By the way, it is often really hard to see just how much other people put into their projects and so from the outside their success does not seem very justified (hence the phenomena of ten year overnight success). I find myself making this mistake as well, but it is useful to remind yourself that it is the wrong way to think.

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just Compute, Google Network, Cloud Storage, Container Engine (Kubernetese is OpenSource, so you can run it internally too), Cloud Shell, Pub/Sub, their new Cloud Console, are awesome.

Pub/Sub is pretty meh. The Google Cloud team still don't seem to understand the need for a Kafka-like unified log service, unlike AWS (Kinesis is 2 years old this week) or even IBM Bluemix (who just launched Message Hub, which is true hosted Kafka).

What's meh about it versus Kinesis?

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

#29

Google compute has taken some awesome strides in the last year. I now prefer GCE over AWS, because of pricing (per minute) and simplicity. AWS quickly can get overwhelming and overly complex.

Pricing is fine. Tech support is a joke. I wish I could pay more for Google to actually offer good support. We tried GCE for a while but it just didn't cut it in terms of mean response time to questions. AWS really leads on support.

For the lowest support plan (Silver), high priority issues were addressed pretty quickly. Low priority ones are a bit slow, but hey, they're low priority. Plus the Silver support plan is very cheap.

Re: Google Picks Diane Greene to Expand Its Cloud Business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just Compute, Google Network, Cloud Storage, Container Engine (Kubernetese is OpenSource, so you can run it internally too), Cloud Shell, Pub/Sub, their new Cloud Console, are awesome.

Pub/Sub is pretty meh. The Google Cloud team still don't seem to understand the need for a Kafka-like unified log service, unlike AWS (Kinesis is 2 years old this week) or even IBM Bluemix (who just launched Message Hub, which is true hosted Kafka).

Depending on the sort of logging you're looking for, there's a logging API (https://cloud.google.com/logging/docs/api/) and you can also stream to BigQuery.

(Disclaimer: I work on GCP)

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