Live data from Hacker News

London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

theguardian.com

21–30 of 114 posts

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#21
Brilliant quote:

The bridge trust said the proposed planning conditions would not amount to the structure becoming an overly controlled and regulated place, insisting the visitor hosts are “not police officers”. It said that while the visitor hosts would theoretically have the power to seize any banned items, in practice this would only happen with things such as alcohol.

Since when have any powers been granted on a theoretical basis?

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#22

I did a talk on privacy topics from a user's perspective at a small 'tech fair' this weekend and I was delighted to see this tweet showing a map of the venue showing everyone's precise location: https://twitter.com/johnebridge/status/662984007370612736 I was able to add it to the slide deck just in time and people were genuinely surprised by it. It's a good thing that the company were transparent about it and shared…

With face-recognition software using CCTV cameras pointed at your face while in the checkout lane they will recognize and profile you, credit card or cash, WiFi or no WiFi. At least, the technology is there.

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#23

This article more or less describes what a police state would look like if the Church of England designed it. A controlled, plasticised, corporate Little England, where fun is monitored and must be of an approved nature, freedom of expression is allowed as long as you don't express anything disagreeable, and the public have no democratic rights at all. Yet another small, sad indicator that control over the lives of L…

I think soon enough, citizens of England will realize there's a problem. I don't think they can take this concept to its logical conclusion.

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#24
No flying kites? Isn't that what we were saying you couldn't do under Taliban control about 5 years ago and laughing at how ludicrous it was?

Nice to see tens of millions of public money going on vanity projects like this with ridiculous baggage attached to it.

The £20mm public loan over a 50 year period sounds interesting. I wonder what interest rate they are getting on that. I would LOVE to see it. Maybe I'll do a FOI request. If I could bet on it, I'd bet they have a pretty swell deal.

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#25

The article is bitter sweet to me. Bitter because it's yet another little step in a huge march intended to erode freedom. Sweet, because they track WiFi signals. In 2012 I started turning WiFi and location off on my phone as I left home. I remember the date because it's when London got 4G, and as of that date I no longer really needed WiFi, but I did need my battery to last the day. It's become habit.

I always do it both to preserve battery and for privacy (and I never turned on location services) but a customer of mine, in the business of counting people entering and leaving stores, told me that about 60 to 80% of people has WiFi turned on all the time. That was a surprise. I would have taken a zero off those figures if I were to guess.

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#26

This article more or less describes what a police state would look like if the Church of England designed it. A controlled, plasticised, corporate Little England, where fun is monitored and must be of an approved nature, freedom of expression is allowed as long as you don't express anything disagreeable, and the public have no democratic rights at all. Yet another small, sad indicator that control over the lives of L…

I don't get your Church of England reference. I'm a communicant member of a liberal CofE church and these restrictions would be anathema to me and to most of our church's congregation. Indeed, I "play a [rather loud] musical instrument" for the church every week...

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#27

No flying kites? Isn't that what we were saying you couldn't do under Taliban control about 5 years ago and laughing at how ludicrous it was? Nice to see tens of millions of public money going on vanity projects like this with ridiculous baggage attached to it. The £20mm public loan over a 50 year period sounds interesting. I wonder what interest rate they are getting on that. I would LOVE to see it. Maybe I'll do a…

Strictly speaking, flying kites is not allowed in other London streets as well ("any street, to the obstruction, annoyance, or danger of the residents or passengers", from a 19th century law http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/10-11/89/section/28). Flying a kite from the pavement of Waterloo Bridge seems intuitively a bad idea so that's not very controversial. It does undermine their "park" claims though...

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#28
post #9

That's why Richard Stallman correctly described mobile phones as tracking and surveillance devices: > https://stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html "Cell phones are tracking and surveillance devices. They all enable the phone system to record where the user goes, and many (perhaps all) can be remotely converted into listening devices."

The small educational centre where I teach has recently provided free wifi to users of the building. It is a good connection. You have to give a mobile phone number once to use the system. This morning, I went in with my old Thinkpad on which I have replaced Xubuntu with Slackware/MLED including a complete reformat and encryption of the SSD. The wifi recognised the machine and greeted me by name. I can only assume th…

> the server is recording the MAC addresses

I believe WiFi routers have options for white-listing devices by MAC address. Probably being done automatically in your building.

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#29

This article more or less describes what a police state would look like if the Church of England designed it. A controlled, plasticised, corporate Little England, where fun is monitored and must be of an approved nature, freedom of expression is allowed as long as you don't express anything disagreeable, and the public have no democratic rights at all. Yet another small, sad indicator that control over the lives of L…

I don't get your Church of England reference. I'm a communicant member of a liberal CofE church and these restrictions would be anathema to me and to most of our church's congregation. Indeed, I "play a [rather loud] musical instrument" for the church every week...

When you say liberal, do you mean liberal but still will not do gay marriages?

Re: London garden bridge users to have mobile phone signals tracked

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get your Church of England reference. I'm a communicant member of a liberal CofE church and these restrictions would be anathema to me and to most of our church's congregation. Indeed, I "play a [rather loud] musical instrument" for the church every week...

When you say liberal, do you mean liberal but still will not do gay marriages?

It doesn't make sense to call gay partnership a marriage. Marriage is a strictly defined cultural phenomenon meaning a relationship between a man and a woman with the original intention to continue the family by having kids.
Post reply on HN