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Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

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post #4

Oh, I didn't realize the significance of the waiting period in Canada! Although from what I've heard, this won't change anyone's mind about Harper.

No, but it will make a huge difference choosing between Trudeau & Mulcair. Mulcair is unequivocably against the TPP, Trudeau said he'll "thoroughly examine" it.

I think Trudeau's response is better since the full, final text of the agreement hasn't been released, and I'm sure Harper isn't sharing it with them.

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#22
The whole TPP should be dumped for good. Make sure to put pressure on your representatives. Copyright term increase is enough of a reason. And of course the usual anti-circumvention garbage, which forbids breaking DRM even for non infringing purposes.

> Each Party shall provide that a violation of a measure implementing this paragraph is independent of any infringement that might occur under the Party’s law on copyright and related rights.

(See Article QQ.G.10: {Technological Protection Measures}). Same usual nasty stuff which mirrors DMCA-1201.

The worst part is, that this stuff in TPP will make it much harder to repeal DMCA-1201 or to decrease copyright term in US, since DRM lobby will scream "We can't violate our international obligations!" (of course omitting the fact that they imposed those obligations on everyone without any democratic process). It's really sick that there exists this alternative legislative power which has no oversight and therefore is simply prone to corruption.

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

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post #22

The whole TPP should be dumped for good. Make sure to put pressure on your representatives. Copyright term increase is enough of a reason. And of course the usual anti-circumvention garbage, which forbids breaking DRM even for non infringing purposes. > Each Party shall provide that a violation of a measure implementing this paragraph is independent of any infringement that might occur under the Party’s law on copyri…

Yeah, its basically enshrining the worst parts of US IP law in an international agreement.

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#24
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds really dangerous: https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip3/pharmaceutical/Pharmaceutical%... "Marketing exclusivity for new forms and uses of old medicines could be considered a form of evergreening. Since marketing exclusivity applies regardless of the patent status of a drug, even off-patent medicines presented in the forms and uses described below would not have a generic competitor."

Yes, I don't think it's any exaggeration when they say that the TPP agreement will kill people. Medicine vital to survival will be priced out of reach of some of the less fortunate, and some of them will die. This bill is not safe for public consumption. My hope is that this particular issue will be bigger than they thought it would be due to the recent price issues around Daraprim (from $13.50 a pill to $750).

It won't just kill people on the Pharma side.

It will also kill people on the Corporate externality side with its Corporate Sovereignty provisions [0]

Suppose TPP-Protected Corporation XYZ moves its manufacturing to Town F in impoverished country ABC. This is allowed because, look at all the jobs XYZ creates! XYZ finds it much cheaper to dump excess waste products into the local river. Many citizens of Town F die from the numerous poisons it dumps in the river. Local Government of Town F would like to stop XYZ's pollution, but XYZ is now allowed to override local laws and take Country ABC to a private tribunal to "deal" with the pesky citizens complaining about dying.

[0] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150325/17151130431/corpo...

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#25
post #2

"Article QQ.H.7: {Criminal Procedures and Penalties}" "Each Party shall provide for criminal procedures and penalties to be applied at least in cases of willful trademark counterfeiting or copyright or related rights piracy on a commercial scale. In respect of willful copyright or related rights piracy, “on a commercial scale” includes at least:" "(b) significant acts, not carried out for commercial advantage or fina…

Seems like it's intentionally written to be vague to be applied to many things

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#26
post #4

Oh, I didn't realize the significance of the waiting period in Canada! Although from what I've heard, this won't change anyone's mind about Harper.

No, but it will make a huge difference choosing between Trudeau & Mulcair. Mulcair is unequivocably against the TPP, Trudeau said he'll "thoroughly examine" it.

>Trudeau said he'll "thoroughly examine" it.

The cynical side of me thinks that his constituents don't support the TPP, but he doesn't want to upset his donors by not passing it. So he's using weasel words to make it look like he's against it, but after the election (if he wins) he's going to pass it.

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#27
post #2

"Article QQ.H.7: {Criminal Procedures and Penalties}" "Each Party shall provide for criminal procedures and penalties to be applied at least in cases of willful trademark counterfeiting or copyright or related rights piracy on a commercial scale. In respect of willful copyright or related rights piracy, “on a commercial scale” includes at least:" "(b) significant acts, not carried out for commercial advantage or fina…

It doesn't specify what the penalty must be, however (does it?). For example, US Code, in the criminal section (506) it says: (d) Fraudulent Removal of Copyright Notice. — Any person who, with fraudulent intent, removes or alters any notice of copyright appearing on a copy of a copyrighted work shall be fined not more than $2,500. They could make singing the wrong song a $20 penalty and presumably still comply with t…

A $20 fine and a criminal record, which as I understand it is something you _really_ don't want.

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#28
It doesn't make sense for Americans to oppose this treaty. We already live under most of these IP rules with no hope of relaxing them. Extending these profit protections to other countries will mainly benefit American companies and improve our economy.

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#29
post #28

It doesn't make sense for Americans to oppose this treaty. We already live under most of these IP rules with no hope of relaxing them. Extending these profit protections to other countries will mainly benefit American companies and improve our economy.

Your argument justifies that it doesn't make sense for immoral Americans to oppose this treaty. Fortunately not all Americans are immoral.

Re: TPP final negotiated text – IP chapter

#30
post #28

It doesn't make sense for Americans to oppose this treaty. We already live under most of these IP rules with no hope of relaxing them. Extending these profit protections to other countries will mainly benefit American companies and improve our economy.

They aren't American companies, they're multi-nationals, and will keep the money in a tax haven to avoid paying US taxes on it. And this isn't a prediction, this is what is happening RIGHT NOW.

It won't help the US economy one iota, and if you push this dysfunctional nonsense out internationally you have gone from "almost no chance of reform" to "absolutely no chance of reform."

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