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Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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She's hardly the model of anti censorship:

In July 2008, Blue sought restraining orders against online critics David Burch (aka Ben Burch) and Nina Alter to prohibit them from e-mailing her, editing her Wikipedia page, or writing unkindly about her online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_Blue

Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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post #3

I'm sorry she had a bad experience (and if the situation was triggered by something she posted that's horrible), but from a security point of view, if the automatic security questions can't be answered and you can't provide an "official government ID", the only way that you should be able to get access back to your account is "from a favor from someone on the inside that knows that you are you". If there's any way th…

I suggest that the measures are largely security theatre to begin with. Consider the attached accounts of determined identity thieves (1,2). Facebook needs to inconvenience children, but also needs to acknowledge its own theatre in serious situations. Consider that many of the mechanisms that government issued ID use to prevent forgery are impossible to verify unless you're in physical possession of the ID. It also n…

The security questions might be done wrong, I'm more saying that "a real person on the inside who can personally verify your identity" is in fact a key part of the security process.

Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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It's sad :(

Mirimir might like a Facebook account, but then he doesn't have a phone or government ID. So he's just shit outta luck. He could maybe get some usable fake ID. But Facebook isn't so easy to trick with online mobile numbers.

But then, who needs Facebook?

Edit: I'm agreeing with the author that Facebook can't be trusted to keep disclosed information private. My point here is that the only reliable strategy is to avoid providing true identity. And Facebook makes that virtually impossible.

Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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I'd like to see a wiki documenting the harm that comes from Facebook, sort of like how https://reddit.com/r/gunsarecool documents mass shootings. Violet Blue is lucky because she has a platform and her problems will get notice. Everyone else just deals with their life quietly, and we the public don't get a good grasp of the problem.

That's a nice thought, but the facebook problems she mentions (harassment/trolling/doxing) are only exacerbated with more publicity.

Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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"This is reality. This is not theory. This is not assertions on Hacker News about how you must have something to hide if you want to keep something private. This is not about a man in a position of power and influence, who has industry privilege and respect for his wealth and status, at Google or Facebook saying that anonymity, or multiple online identities, demotes a 'lack of credibility’. We don’t care of you believe we’re credible, we just don’t want your willful ignorance to ruin our lives or get us killed. This isn’t about telling us that someone must have been targeting LGBT people that one time – because, wouldn’t you know, you seem to have a new reason every year. This isn’t about how many people were in your company’s Pride contingent, and it damn well isn’t about jerking around a group of drag queens – who cope with the suffering done by outing every day, and for fuck’s sake we’ve buried too many people we love – for one of your little press appeasement moments. This isn’t about YOUR beliefs, or what you think is best for us. This is about you making us live in fear. This is about the fact that you have had a chance to make it right repeatedly, and when faced with one kid saying no please don’t publish my birth name – you looked away, again. https://www.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=1020470... "

I normally avoid tumblr like the plague, but I chose to read this post. I encourage anyone who reads this to view the full post to get complete context.

I thought it was raising some good points about Facebook's poor UX for account recovery.. until I got to this paragraph. I feel that while there may be many valid points to this article it is shrouded in certain biases and stigmas that dilute the overall positive message it was trying to make in the first place.

Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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post #11

That was weird. I stopped using Facebook a few years ago (don't remember when), because something trivial about the site annoyed me (don't remember what). The author seems to have written many accounts of what a terrible company Facebook is, how LGBT people are treated appallingly by them, how they're starting in on refugees and how they're ruining privacy for everyone. And then jumped through every possible hoop in…

She was using it for business and journalistic reasons, as she mentioned.

And she didn't jump through every hoop. She didn't upload her ID.

Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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post #11

That was weird. I stopped using Facebook a few years ago (don't remember when), because something trivial about the site annoyed me (don't remember what). The author seems to have written many accounts of what a terrible company Facebook is, how LGBT people are treated appallingly by them, how they're starting in on refugees and how they're ruining privacy for everyone. And then jumped through every possible hoop in…

> And then jumped through every possible hoop in order to keep using their website! I don't think you read the entire article. Her goal at this point is to delete her account[1], which she cannot do until she regains control of the account. She's at a stalemate right now. [1] "But now I just want out. I want my account deleted. I want the bullshit, inaccurate pages Facebook creates about me without my consent gone, t…

I did read the whole thing. Her goal now is to get the account deleted. She was trying to keep using the site before they asked for an official ID.

"Facebook is just going to do whatever the fuck it wants to me. And to you."

Perhaps, I don't know what Facebook is doing to me. I didn't delete my account, I just stopped using it. It fact, I still get emails from them that are redirected to a 'facebook' folder that I haven't checked in a while.

I'll check now. Hmm 1,558 unread messages...ok...

Oh well, if it was important, they would have phoned or emailed or something :)

Re: Why I’m sitting at home crying on a Saturday afternoon

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I've no idea why she's put up with FB for long. I've none of the issues she has with Facebook, I just hate it on privacy reasons. So... I don't use it.

But if she's gotta use it just submit fake ID. Scan your license or passport, and edit information. This works fine and there is nothing wrong with it.

Complaining about their security policies... Eh I'm gonna guess that FB engineers probably want to protect user accounts as that's in their interest. It doesn't help them to lock users out for no reason. FB is a private company, and, as much as I dislike them, they can do whatever they want, including requiring ID to login.

Though, I'd imagine you could file a lawsuit to force them to delete your info, if they refuse to do so without ID. But that'd probably leak your ID in the process.

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