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Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by eli » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:04 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #18

IP addresses can be geolocated. Big deal. This article seems a little out of date when it comes to what an IP address means for home users. (For mobile users, there are far easier means of tracking than via IP address.) For instance.... "One important thing to note is that most consumers probably have a “dynamic ip address” meaning that your internet service provider probably rotates this ip address ever 24-48 hours.…

MaxMind themselves only claims something like 80% accuracy on getting the correct city with their commercial geoip database

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by icebraining » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:13 PM UTC

greggman wrote: post #13

icebraining wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does (s)he have to do that? Because the video makers don't want you to watch it without seeing the ads is not a sufficient reason. Content producers just have to accept the fact that they don't get to control how people see their stuff once they put it out there, just like TV producers didn't get to prevent you from flipping channels during an ad break. If you disagree, as the copyright holder of my posts, I revo…

Why isn't it a sufficient reason? If they say "don't watch my video unless you pay $5" are you okay with that or do you just think whatever they made you're entitled to it, you never have to give what they ask in return? Isn't it up to them to decide what they want to charge you (pay $$, watch this ad, etc.) and for you to decide not to watch if you don't want to pay whatever they are asking? How is this any differen…

I hope you realized you've proved my point by replying to my copyrighted post, in which I revoked your right to download it (which happens after you reply to it).

When the demands of copyright holders are not reasonable, we are not ethically required to comply. Your words say you disagree, but your actions show otherwise.

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by LargeCompanies » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:16 PM UTC

This is a war that will force websites to find workarounds ... from redirecting you to a message saying sorry this content is blocked you are running an adblocker to innovators creating work arounds that ad blockers can't block and they are more annoying then the ads we have now.

The web has flourished and we all get to enjoy it for free because advertising. Though the majority here seem to want all ads to be blocked... does that mean the majority will then sign up and pay each site for their content? Highly doubtful ... so what is the solution, people need to be paid for the content we consume each day for free on the web!

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by georgebarnett » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:17 PM UTC

Flogging a dead horse of a story certainly brings in the clicks, which in the past has resulted in more advertising revenue.

I'm interested to see if this continues, or if it declines since there is a reduced financial incentive.

I could imagine that in a world of paywalls, this is disincentivised, since your users don't want to have the same crap thrown at them over and over (as opposed to now, where publishers make as much controversy/noise as possible in the hope of attracting new clicks).

Could it be that this change in model requires more thoughtful journalism?

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by alecco » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:20 PM UTC

aylons wrote: post #15

callesgg wrote: post #9

I would gladly pay a small fee to not have to see adds. The issue is how to solve that, how could i pay that fee in a simple manner where the cash only goes to the sites that i use.

Google has a proposal for this: Google Contributor [1]. Of course, only works for Google ads, but this is a substantial portion of the web. However, I don't like the current proposition: you pay for seeing less ads, but there's no tier guaranteeing no ads. Even if they guarantee 99% less ads, I still wouldn't sign for it. Paying for seeing less ads does not change the incentives for tracking and targeting, and may ev…

That does't solve Google tracking your every move around the internet. They still get all your information.

They are only doing this to save face or to find an alternative path of revenue.

I refuse to be tracked, specially by a corporation whose president is quite against privacy and anonimity and has a lot of friends in the US government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Schmidt#Privacy

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by georgebarnett » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:23 PM UTC

LargeCompanies wrote: post #23

This is a war that will force websites to find workarounds ... from redirecting you to a message saying sorry this content is blocked you are running an adblocker to innovators creating work arounds that ad blockers can't block and they are more annoying then the ads we have now. The web has flourished and we all get to enjoy it for free because advertising. Though the majority here seem to want all ads to be blocked…

I certainly expect there will be a war - a highly asymmetric one. The cost of developing 'anti-ad-block' tech will exceed the cost of updating filters for some time.

It will also lead to more intrusive ads in a world where user expectations have changed. Users will become used to a "quiet" web and might just prefer to hit the back button.

Another point worth making. If your content is good enough for me to turn off my ad blocker, it's probably good enough to paywall. If not, you have no chance.

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by flycaliguy » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:28 PM UTC

jordigh wrote: post #3

Amongst those four arguments, I again don't see mine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10241380 I don't want ads because I don't want to be manipulated into buying things I don't need. I especially don't want to allow this manipulation while I'm in the middle of something else. Even if ads were presented with speed, privacy, and safety, I still don't want them.

What if the ads have just been embedded in the content itself? Publishing sales departments are going to have to shift tactics and when the banners disappear they might have to start selling more "advitorials". Only when it comes to the web, they won't be as obvious as print.

You may find yourself subject to much more intense manipulation.

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by qopp » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:29 PM UTC

georgebarnett wrote: post #26

LargeCompanies wrote: post #23

This is a war that will force websites to find workarounds ... from redirecting you to a message saying sorry this content is blocked you are running an adblocker to innovators creating work arounds that ad blockers can't block and they are more annoying then the ads we have now. The web has flourished and we all get to enjoy it for free because advertising. Though the majority here seem to want all ads to be blocked…

I certainly expect there will be a war - a highly asymmetric one. The cost of developing 'anti-ad-block' tech will exceed the cost of updating filters for some time. It will also lead to more intrusive ads in a world where user expectations have changed. Users will become used to a "quiet" web and might just prefer to hit the back button. Another point worth making. If your content is good enough for me to turn off m…

Not really, a site can just proxy ad content through their servers. How can an ad-blocking service tell the difference between an image needed for the site and an image that's an advertisement?

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by Animats » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:37 PM UTC

Where you are is only marginally useful to advertisers. What you've clicked on is sort of useful. The really valuable information is what you've bought and paid for.

That's what makes Amazon go. Other advertisers would like that info, but they have to buy it from people who actually sell real stuff, and those sellers don't sell it cheaply.

(Of course, Amazon's product recommendations would be more useful if they stopped spamming them with ads for their failing mobile devices.)

Re: Ad Blocking, Ad Networks, and Your IP Address

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Post by cooper12 » Sat, Sep 19, 2015, 11:39 PM UTC

flycaliguy wrote: post #27

jordigh wrote: post #3

Amongst those four arguments, I again don't see mine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10241380 I don't want ads because I don't want to be manipulated into buying things I don't need. I especially don't want to allow this manipulation while I'm in the middle of something else. Even if ads were presented with speed, privacy, and safety, I still don't want them.

What if the ads have just been embedded in the content itself? Publishing sales departments are going to have to shift tactics and when the banners disappear they might have to start selling more "advitorials". Only when it comes to the web, they won't be as obvious as print. You may find yourself subject to much more intense manipulation.

That already happens though and at some levels even more undetectable by the masses. [0] And if it becomes more common, so will the callouts and public awareness of it. All you're advocating is "the devil I know". There's a third choice: don't give those websites your traffic. I'd rather take no evil than the lesser of two, thank you. Often ethics are tied strongly to the quality of the content. I don't go on buzzfeed and 9gag because they steal content from others when I'd rather consume it from the original source. Readers will just have to be more discerning.

[0]: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html