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The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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The Grid has received $4.6M in venture capital: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/the-grid Clearly the venture capitalists would have uncovered if the product was a scam during due diligence. Right? :P

Not sure how I feel about the mix of VC and CF.

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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I don't know this guy, and I haven't read any of his other stuff, so this isn't a judgement of him, it's just how I interpret the tone and content of the article itself, but... It sounds like a rant by a corporate code-pusher who's never done anything particularly complex or sophisticated, and feels defensive about the security of his career. Maybe that's just me. Again, I don't know this guy. I'm not passing judgeme…

"I'm not judging, but here's my judgement" It sounds like there's a Kickstarter, which is targeted often to the general public, asking for money to develop a technology that eludes the pinnacle of AI research at the most well-funded organizations on the planet.

A simple layout engine and iPhoto-like automatic image correction elude the pinnacle of AI research? Maybe try re-watching the video.

Also, it's called perception. My comments were in reference to the tone of the article, not the author.

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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The Grid has received $4.6M in venture capital: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/the-grid Clearly the venture capitalists would have uncovered if the product was a scam during due diligence. Right? :P

Not sure how I feel about the mix of VC and CF.

Is it useful to inform us of your non-feelings?

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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There seems to be some cognitive dissonance going on here. Almost all the posts here are saying, to paraphrase:

'It looks like the Grid team are using templates and some algorithms to to create websites while explicitly stating they are not using templates and using vague allusions to revolutionary AI for marketing purposes to attract investors and/or kickstarter funders. It is not a scam'

Misleading potential investors about what your going to deliver in order to get money is a scam plain and simple.

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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The Grid's community evangelist published a video to YouTube about ten days ago that purports to show a demo of The Grid in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vDJZ-QufBQ

And here's the site whose content he's populating in the video: http://myothercamera.is

My takeaway from this is that The Grid has a fantastic marketing team, and a product that may be a decent competitor to Squarespace. Maybe.

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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The Grid's community evangelist published a video to YouTube about ten days ago that purports to show a demo of The Grid in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vDJZ-QufBQ And here's the site whose content he's populating in the video: http://myothercamera.is My takeaway from this is that The Grid has a fantastic marketing team, and a product that may be a decent competitor to Squarespace. Maybe.

more than 3000 lines of inline css in the site source code, that's not a good sign

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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As a person who is building something similar, I do know this is certainly possible with today's technology. And most probably not a scam. The team is the same team behind noflojs.org, so they do have some credibility. But there is a misconception about Artificial Intelligence in general and its kind of true that the term is being overused. Putting couple of If/Else statement nowadays or using a Machine Learning libr…

By looking at thegrid.io's claimed features, I do not see anything impossible stated there. Like said by others, it's classic AI marketing by (over)using the term AI..

But the idea is brilliant though. What they are using behind the scenes are probably few algorithms to detect faces, adjust color contrast and let the user choose from a couple of fluid layout templates (formal, casual etc). The template then further adjusts itself based on the content that is provided. All they claim is automatically crop the images, find out color contrasts and adjust the typography to maximize legibility, automatically add an ecommerce widget if they see a price info etc. All of these are certainly possible and doable, even with 5-6 year old tech. Any YC level startup can do a basic, minimal version of the stated features in few months.. But the idea is huge.

Do we have any product today for a non-developer/non-technical person to build a personalized, static website without going through all the hassles? Even WYSIWYG website generators like Wix.com or wordpress/other CMS can be too much effort for a non-technical person. All they need is a randomized and personalized website where they can throw their content at and will automagically appear polished and most importantly unique, without them going through all the settings. The advantages are endless, like the themes can auto update when the industry trends change as the user never manages the design elements directly.

The author probably mistook the product as a dynamic application generator and not a static website generator, which is certainly doesn't look feasible until we have really intelligent machines..

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the OP is saying he can't evaluate the actual technology in question because there is nothing to see. You are asked to take the word of thegrid folks that they have something and that they have 100 people testing it.

Yes, but OP is wrong when he says that there is nothing to see. He just didn't take the time to even look. The source code of the underlying layout engine is published on GitHub: https://github.com/gss/engine

But that's not the commercial asset that "The Grid Co" is demonstrating. They are abstracting that underlying framework, to make a more usable asset to non-technical people, akin to a SquareSpace. The people who have bought into this notion (i.e. the "founding backers") have seen almost little to no substance to establish the latter. The argument is that they are essentially being tricked. The resulting question ("is it OK to start a company this way?") is probably much more ethical in nature than anything.

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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I don't use the grid, but got intrigued by their ads, and it's tech that exists now applied well. Add a photo? They'll crop it unevenly to keep the subject in the picture. Using it as a background? They'll make it less attention gathering using filters. Yes, the term AI is overused, but they're not say, Redding University lying about the turing test. They're describing computers anticipating a need and taking measure…

Add a photo? They'll crop it unevenly to keep the subject in the picture. Using it as a background? They'll make it less attention gathering using filters. Aren't these usually called "presets" rather than "artificial intelligence"?

I think the AI comes in when the human isn't making the decisions.

Re: The Grid: Certainly Misguided, Probably a Scam

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I don't use the grid, but got intrigued by their ads, and it's tech that exists now applied well. Add a photo? They'll crop it unevenly to keep the subject in the picture. Using it as a background? They'll make it less attention gathering using filters. Yes, the term AI is overused, but they're not say, Redding University lying about the turing test. They're describing computers anticipating a need and taking measure…

Add a photo? They'll crop it unevenly to keep the subject in the picture. Using it as a background? They'll make it less attention gathering using filters. Aren't these usually called "presets" rather than "artificial intelligence"?

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