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Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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post #15

I tried to uninstall Flash, but my bank (Citi) uses it for their one-time credit card # applet. And, I miss a lot of videos on the internets, but I can live without those. The bank thing, I cannot. (Yeah, I complained and was told moving away is "in the works.")

Same thing here, my bank updated their entire website, except for internet banking which still uses flash.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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The only thing I will miss on flash is the Copy to clippboard feature (e.g http://zeroclipboard.org/ ). Is there other way to do the same when flash will be extinct?

see document.execCommand("copy"), document.execCommand("cut"): https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/ex...

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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If we want to speed up the demise of flash, there are several roots that need to be whacked simultaneously: 1. Tons of existing flash content people want to access 2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative The first one is a thorny problem and is somewhat solved by things like Shumway but still needs more work. As for the second, things like Unity and HTML5 have not covered all of flash dev's use cases, so…

>If we want to speed up the demise of flash

I prefer to keep flash because it is easily blocked.

I find most flash to obnoxious/intrusive/distracting. I disable flash be default, and only enable the items I'm interested in. Also page loads are reduced, one less attack vector.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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post #19

I'm actually a bit conflicted about this. The nice thing about Flash-based media is that one can disable JavaScript (thus increasing one's privacy) and then enable Flash only to view a particular video (e.g. on Amazon Play); with JavaScript and HTML5, one generally has to enable JavaScript for the entire domain rather than a single video on a single page. Why would one want to disable JavaScript in the first place? P…

Flash has had vulerabilities and executes arbitrary code as well... What's the difference?

At least with javascript, there's only one attack vector (the browser itself). Flash requires a plugin to work properly.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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post #19

I'm actually a bit conflicted about this. The nice thing about Flash-based media is that one can disable JavaScript (thus increasing one's privacy) and then enable Flash only to view a particular video (e.g. on Amazon Play); with JavaScript and HTML5, one generally has to enable JavaScript for the entire domain rather than a single video on a single page. Why would one want to disable JavaScript in the first place? P…

> Why would one want to disable JavaScript in the first place? Privacy & security: why enable a site to execute random code on one's own machine when all one wants to do is read some content?

There are many reasons. Another is this: on most webpages (i.e. places you go to read text and maybe images and some videos; as opposed to web applications), JavaScript is an unnecessary waste of processing power, that only makes it harder for you to read in peace. It doesn't add value for user, so there's no reason to have it running in your browser.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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post #8

You know Flash is dead when Homestar Runner says it's dead! http://www.homestarrunner.com/flashisdead.html For those who don't know, this site was a legit phenomenon in the early 2000's, and it has always been 100% flash-based. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner

How hard would it be to convert those Flash videos into mp4s for archival in the IA?

EDIT: Looks like they've been uploaded to Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/homestarrunnerdotcom

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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post #8

You know Flash is dead when Homestar Runner says it's dead! http://www.homestarrunner.com/flashisdead.html For those who don't know, this site was a legit phenomenon in the early 2000's, and it has always been 100% flash-based. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner

I was a huge Homestar Runner fan, even got the figurines which my daughter now plays with.

All their content was produced in Flash as at the time, it really was the only suitable delivery mechanism.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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post #8

You know Flash is dead when Homestar Runner says it's dead! http://www.homestarrunner.com/flashisdead.html For those who don't know, this site was a legit phenomenon in the early 2000's, and it has always been 100% flash-based. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner

How hard would it be to convert those Flash videos into mp4s for archival in the IA? EDIT: Looks like they've been uploaded to Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/homestarrunnerdotcom

Not quite so straight forward, a lot of their videos were interactive for hidden gems. They will be lost when moving to a linear file format.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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post #13

We need Google to remove bundling Flash player in Chrome. Chrome for OS X has Flash built-in. Not sure about other build.

My understanding is that Chrome for Flash uses Pepper (a NaCl extension) for its plugin support so its not a vector for attack. You can always turn it off from chrome:plugins.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How hard would it be to convert those Flash videos into mp4s for archival in the IA? EDIT: Looks like they've been uploaded to Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/homestarrunnerdotcom

Not quite so straight forward, a lot of their videos were interactive for hidden gems. They will be lost when moving to a linear file format.

With access to the source, it should be possible to export them to HTML5 using Adobe's flash authoring tools. I've never tried it though, and I don't know how good the HTML5 versions would be.

Edit: huh, it kinda runs with Mozilla's Flash-runtime replacement, Shumway. Another few rounds of bugfixes and we might not need any Adobe code to play these files just as they are.

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