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What is going on with SoundCloud?

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Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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Self hosting your stuff is the only reasonable way to publish these days. Everyone who could host it FOR you is falling prey to the DMCA, one after another. Either that, or work to fix this broken system.

You do know that the DMCA applies even when you're self-hosting right?

I'm highly out of the loop. Why would someone self hosting their own music be prey to DMCA?

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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Regarding self-hosting, could anyone share some technical links related to streaming? Are there good/easy ways to interactively 'chunk-stream' audio without giving away the entire file (without Flash...)?

I think the new(-ish) MediaStream APIs are designed precisely for this. https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/streams/StreamProc... The simple audio element itself might be sufficient.

Thank you, looking into this!

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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post #19

Self hosting your stuff is the only reasonable way to publish these days. Everyone who could host it FOR you is falling prey to the DMCA, one after another. Either that, or work to fix this broken system.

You do know that the DMCA applies even when you're self-hosting right?

Yes, but you can cite fair use. The problem isn't with stolen music, it's with things like mashups being taken down.

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

#24
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the laws on using copyrighted material in mixes do you know ? I know Sound of Monte Carlo's soundcloud (they uplaod monthly mixes or w/e) is about to be taken down, they do use copyrighted material in their mixes though.

In the US, if you use someone else's work or recording in your work, it's derivative work and unless the original work was in the public domain or your usage constitutes "fair use" (e.g. parody), you need to get their permission. In the UK, where Soundcloud is based, it's very similar, except the equivalent of "fair use" is called "fair dealing" and it's much more restrictive in scope.

I thought soundcloud is based in Berlin?

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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Every time a new idea for a site/app/etc. involving 'music' and the 'internet' occurs to me (or is suggested to me), I immediately reject it out of hand: "Nope, DMCA/RIAA/ASCAP/etc. -- too risky." P.S. Take a look sometime at ASCAP's requirements and fees/rates for digital music services -- it's insane . I don't know how any service could keep ASCAP placated and turn a profit.

They're not supposed to turn a profit while complying with their rates. It's a way to make sure they stay in control of who is selling the music.

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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post #19

Self hosting your stuff is the only reasonable way to publish these days. Everyone who could host it FOR you is falling prey to the DMCA, one after another. Either that, or work to fix this broken system.

You do know that the DMCA applies even when you're self-hosting right?

No, the notice, takedown, etc. provisions that apply to third-party hosts do not, those are part of a adage harbor provisions for third-part hosts of user-supplied content against copyright liability that exists without the DMCA.

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, if you use someone else's work or recording in your work, it's derivative work and unless the original work was in the public domain or your usage constitutes "fair use" (e.g. parody), you need to get their permission. In the UK, where Soundcloud is based, it's very similar, except the equivalent of "fair use" is called "fair dealing" and it's much more restrictive in scope.

I thought soundcloud is based in Berlin?

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Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, if you use someone else's work or recording in your work, it's derivative work and unless the original work was in the public domain or your usage constitutes "fair use" (e.g. parody), you need to get their permission. In the UK, where Soundcloud is based, it's very similar, except the equivalent of "fair use" is called "fair dealing" and it's much more restrictive in scope.

I thought soundcloud is based in Berlin?

They're registered in the United Kingdom (England and Wales): https://soundcloud.com/imprint

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know that the DMCA applies even when you're self-hosting right?

Yes, but you can cite fair use. The problem isn't with stolen music, it's with things like mashups being taken down.

Eh? Mashups are "stolen music" by any reasonable definition.

Re: What is going on with SoundCloud?

#30
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the laws on using copyrighted material in mixes do you know ? I know Sound of Monte Carlo's soundcloud (they uplaod monthly mixes or w/e) is about to be taken down, they do use copyrighted material in their mixes though.

No idea about the legal situation. And to be frank I don't care. I have no economic incentive for my hobby. I consider it an art and a means of expression along the lines of singing and dancing. For all I care I am doing commercial musicians a favor for promoting their work, but really that's just an unintended side effect. SoundCloud was profiting of me giving away free content. Its people like me that enabled its b…

Surely, infringers of the GPL could cite the same argument?
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