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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by ryanlol »

worklogin wrote: post #171
ryanlol wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Besides the knee-jerk reaction, it all depends on what you're defending against. If the NSA went around opening Truecrypt containers for every criminal case, their cover would be blown. So if you're keeping stuff from the local PD or thieves breaking into your house, even a supposedly backdoored app is better than cleartext. That said, TC has been audited by what I hear is a reputable group of people, who say there's…

You're missing the bigger issues related to TC, for example the fact that it doesn't even run on new windows versions (and never will)...

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by jacquesm »

Luc wrote: post #121
jacquesm wrote: post #39

Suggested improvement to the French political system: if < 50% of the delegates are present there is no quorum and no laws can be passed.

Aren't most European democracies 'particracies' nowadays? Delegates vote as they are told by the party leadership.

Yes, but it would at least hamstring their ability to make law 'in absence', they'd have to show up and formally register assent, dissent or not vote. That way they would not be able to pretend they had nothing to do with it.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by rjaco31 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #172
fennecfoxen wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ooh, what a delightfully aristocratic objection. We can't give the lesser peoples self-rule, they'd rule themselves wrong!! Have you considered any noblesse oblige -style colonization and rule of third-world nations? Sounds like a good match.

You can be as snarky as you want, but the fact is, I don't want the average dumbass on the street to have that much power over my life, and neither, I suspect, do you. There has to be something resembling meritocracy in any functioning organization, and that includes a government.

The hard part is finding incentives not to get corrupted once you're in place.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by louisrochal »

tracyleon wrote: post #138

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by LandoCalrissian »

higherpurpose wrote: post #40
pikzen wrote: post #14

La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

> This law was voted by 30 delegates. From a total of 577 This is how democracy dies. Now the 95% other members of the National Assembly will say "that it's not their fault, because they didn't even vote for it!", if some major abuses happen due to this in the future. Despicable.

Typically in most systems, you need a quorum to hold a vote of any kind. I'm really not sure why you can only vote with 30 out of 577 in the French Assembly.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by talideon »

fixxer wrote: post #169
pikzen wrote: post #14

La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

30 out of 577?! Is there no limit on a quorum in the Assembly? Might as well have a king.

Apparently, you have to request a quorum, and even then the quorum has to be assembled in 15mins, or else it's ignored and the vote goes ahead anyway to prevent 'obstruction': http://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/decouvrir-l-assemblee/rol...

It's insane!

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by talideon »

LandoCalrissian wrote: post #195
higherpurpose wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This law was voted by 30 delegates. From a total of 577 This is how democracy dies. Now the 95% other members of the National Assembly will say "that it's not their fault, because they didn't even vote for it!", if some major abuses happen due to this in the future. Despicable.

Typically in most systems, you need a quorum to hold a vote of any kind. I'm really not sure why you can only vote with 30 out of 577 in the French Assembly.

In the French system, a quorum has to be requested, but if it can't be assembled in 15mins, the vote goes ahead anyway: http://www2.assemblee-nationale.fr/decouvrir-l-assemblee/rol...

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by Forbo »

fabulist wrote: post #159
ryanlol wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you recommend TrueCrypt? That's a terrible suggestion.

A lot of people seem who recommend TC seem to think the same about BitLocker. To be fair, TrueCrypt has been audited and the code is freely available; BitLocker is proprietary, and the code is only available to a select few under NDA.

I wouldn't consider TrueCrypt's license to be the best example of "freely available".

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by talideon »

eshowk wrote: post #73
rtpg wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize there wasn't a quorum rule

In the constitution of the 5th republic, there is no quorum rule nor a "recall" referendum at mid-term nor a prohibition of multi tenures. That's why we need to change to basic rules of the institutions. We need rules to avoid such democratic thefts in the future, rules written by the people, not the politics professionals. This is what citizen groups like "Mouvement pour la 6eme République" advocates for ( http://ww…

Even where there's no constitutional requirement to have a quorum for votes, it's still possible to have a rule of order requiring a quorum before a vote can take place.

Ireland is an example of this: for there to be a quorum in either house, at least twenty members have to be present. This means at least 1/3 of the Seanad (upper house, 60 seats) or 12% of the Dáil (lower house, 166 seats) must be present for either to form a quorum. That's not written in the constitution, but a standing order of the Oireachtas (parliament).

Even if France has no such requirement in its constitution, it's ridiculous that there isn't at least a parliamentary rule of order requiring it.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by talideon »

dagw wrote: post #45
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. I'm assuming it's largely strategic. "Everybody" wanted to pass the bill, but no one wanted it on their voting record since they knew it was controversial. So everybody got together and selected a small number of martyrs to go sully themselves while everybody else could keep their hands clean.

By dodging the vote, they effectively voted for it. Cowards.
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