How about if companies holding sensitive data were required to subject themselves to pen test attacks by properly incentivized third parties? Even if an attack were not successful the deliverables would quickly tell an experienced hand whether the attempt had been sufficiently rigorous. And that would allow for a good audit mechanism.
you wouldnt happen to be a pen tester, would you?
“Anthem was the target of a very sophisticated external cyber attack”
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#192Having spent almost 4 years in healthcare IT. Very few healthcare organizations take security seriously. There is very much a security by anonymity ideal. I worked for a small medical company that had access to 20,000 PHI records, and I was explicitedly told, "why would anyone want to hack us, we are small potatoes." I left that company shortly there after. Yet companies I work with now big and small look at security…
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#193I hate the tone of that letter, has the typical PR tone all over it. Basically to sum it up: "Your Social Security Number, Name, Birthdate, Address, and everything else needed to steal your identity is at risk. But don't worry! Your credit card number is safe."
They stopped taking automatic credit card payments ~3.5 years ago, so even that last bit isn't much of an accomplishment.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who cares about credit card numbers when you are protected for free and your credit card can be reissued unlike your SSN. I can't believe than in 2015 there's no modern way to verify and protect your identity! There are still so many stupid system relying on your last 4 of your SSN or DoB as authentication!
In Sweden we have a personal number. It's unique to every person but its not secret at all. You use an official identity card or passport or the electronic variant to identify yourself. I'm guessing its some kind of privacy issue behind there not being a similar system in US? Because it works pretty well.
The problem with this number is that, similar to Sweden, it can be used as an identity number and as a password. This is a terrible thing to do. In your small country of homogenous socially protected people, you may not have a widespread problem of theft. In the US, however, there is an entire industry of stealing these numbers in order to take out new lines of credit, buy items at stores, and then not pay them off.
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#195Curious if the HN community has any recommendations for identity-theft monitoring services? Each time this happens, the breached company partners with some firm or another to offer "one free year of identity monitoring" or somesuch. e.g. ProtectMyID after the Target breach. Are there better alternatives to ProtectMyID?
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, if your systems relied on your chief architect not being hit by a bus, that would probably be worse than having the passwords stored someplace.
In reality he always played the "hero" as the only person who could fix the primary system, only because he built it so terribly in the first place.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's just not true. The direction of IT certainly is set by upper management, as well as the budget. If IT says 'we need an IDS' and management says 'it's not in the budget', what can IT do about it? If IT says 'it will take this long and this much money to change our password policy' and management say 'work on new things, not changing old things', what can IT do about it? Senior management might not directly set…
Well, somehow engineers and architects manage to resist management pressures in favor for security, you don't see many bridges collapsing but they have financial constraints too. And accountants resist management pressures to bend the accounting standard, or they go to prison too. IT is in many respect an unregulated profession. Pretty much anyone can declare himself a programmer. There are some regulations on certai…
Generally, yes, but not always. Sometimes they get boxed in by management and forced to make bad choices. When this happens, it usually leads to a spectacular failure ... and then the scapegoat is found.
The most famous case is probably the Challenger space shuttle. At Texas A&M they make sure every engineering student reads the story [1] of the Morton Thiokol employees assessing whether or not it was safe to launch at such low temperatures. The engineers had solid doubts, and refused to declare it safe. The managers had pressure from every direction to get to "yes" and launch the bird already.
Finally, during the teleconference the night before, one of the engineers' superiors said "Take off your engineering hat and put on your management hat." A new recommendation was put out (bypassing the engineers who still refused to sign off), and the next morning they got their launch like they wanted.
Just over a minute later the shuttle exploded, killing the crew and putting American manned spaceflight on a multi-year hiatus.
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[1] http://ethics.tamu.edu/Portals/3/Case%20Studies/Shuttle.pdf
Re: “Anthem was the target of a very sophisticated external cyber attack”
#198Having spent almost 4 years in healthcare IT. Very few healthcare organizations take security seriously. There is very much a security by anonymity ideal. I worked for a small medical company that had access to 20,000 PHI records, and I was explicitedly told, "why would anyone want to hack us, we are small potatoes." I left that company shortly there after. Yet companies I work with now big and small look at security…
>I worked for a small medical company that had access to 20,000 PHI records, and I was explicitedly told, "why would anyone want to hack us, we are small potatoes." I don't think we proactively pentest our stuff either. I've never heard of any security discussions but that may just mean I'm not being included. We have a few more zeroes after our PHI record count too.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, somehow engineers and architects manage to resist management pressures in favor for security, you don't see many bridges collapsing but they have financial constraints too. And accountants resist management pressures to bend the accounting standard, or they go to prison too. IT is in many respect an unregulated profession. Pretty much anyone can declare himself a programmer. There are some regulations on certai…
> Well, somehow engineers and architects manage to resist management pressures in favor for security, you don't see many bridges collapsing but they have financial constraints too. And accountants resist management pressures to bend the accounting standard, or they go to prison too. Generally, yes, but not always. Sometimes they get boxed in by management and forced to make bad choices. When this happens, it usually…
But when you go see your doctor, you do not rely on the fact that he is one of the best doctors in the US. You have no way to tell. You rely on the fact that even an average doctor is good enough to not miss something important.
Well the problem with IT security as it is now, is that we see major breaches almost every week. Some were difficult to avoid but in many case it is just because of bad security design, and in some case people developers ignoring completely security.
And I am sure Sony's management didn't box the developers in storing passwords in clear text.