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Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

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Re: Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

#191

This is actually an intriguing business idea. I believe that most of the upvotes the submission is getting here are genuine expressions of interest in a radically different idea. (It's also fun to make snarky comments about this submission.) I won't be snarky here, but will suggest a news story of related interest. Journalist A. J. Jacobs turned on his full sense of humor as well as his honesty when he wrote a story…

I think in this case we are dealing with a discrepancy between what people think they want, and what they actually want. I wouldn't be surprised if a fair number of people try this once, but he might have trouble getting repeat clients and I have concerns about how helpful, outside the most narrow niche cases, this will be.

I'm a counselor, and going into the field I naively thought that straightforward evaluative statements were central to what therapists did. I thought that what people needed was "objective" feedback on their situations, and I thought myself ideally suited to providing it.

You can imagine my shock when I found out that "direct, reality-oriented feedback" is one of the most ineffective forms of intervention, and leads to a significant rise in client dropout. In other words, people don't like to be judged, however politely or compassionately, and it doesn't help them (1). People need love, not honesty - especially when they are going through troubles which are likely already causing them to question themselves.

The one exception is, as jtheory noted above, within the context of an already established attachment relationship, in which mutual respect and affiliation is already firmly in place.

In general, the best interventions are those which, rather than telling the client "what they need to hear", compassionately lead them towards the acceptance of what they more than likely already know. But it must come from the person themselves, and in their own time - that alone is what damns or saves.

Addendum: The research also reflects my experience. My internship was as a career counselor at a university and the most common client I saw were students about to graduate (often with little to no work experience) expecting to immediately get prestigious/lucrative jobs. I remember one philosophy major in particular who stopped by to see me 3 months before she graduated, whose only work experience was as a manager of a strip club and who wanted a 60k + job writing children's books right after she graduated. I told her, as kindly as I possibly could, that her expectations were more than likely unrealistic. Not only did I tell her but I sat with her and searched through the job ads for the position she wanted so she could see for herself what the requirements were for those positions. She left in a huff and I never saw her again. In fact, not a single client with whom I took a "brutally honest" approach did I ever see again. However, when I took a questioning approach, the difference was night and day.

(1) http://mobile.williamwhitepapers.com/pr/2007ConfrontationinA...

Re: Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But will it be a thoughtful, well written response?

> But will it be a thoughtful, well written response? /r/subredditdrama It's full of self-righteous people who enjoy watching other people fight. On the other hand, they tend to be people who are less interested in fighting and rather enjoy engaging conversation. I've had some brilliant belief-altering discussions in there, and most importantly, situations where both parties "respectfully agree to disagree." You just…

Holy shit, of all the subs you could've mentioned. SRD is incredibly biased in certain topics, they ALWAYS brigade the subs they are against, and have the most awful crowd of the site. Seriously, the whole metasphere is incredibly toxic.

Re: Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

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> I'm Jordan, a 28 year old software developer living in California. I've always been direct and never had a problem telling it like it is. I have a wide variety of interests outside of work that include Finance, Men's Fashion, Diet/Nutrition, Weightlifting, Sports, Travel, Music, and countless other topics. Brutal honesty: nothing here leads me to believe that Jordan's feedback is any more useful than the feedback o…

That self-description and his picture (of himself drinking beer out of a bottle at a bar) gave me second thought about his ability to give an advice that's different than one that would be dispensed by a typical 20-something 'bro' working in IT.

> bro

And your whole assumption gives me the impression that you are a ridiculously superficial person.

Re: Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

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Honest question - Is there like a useful version of this for ,you know, hard CS/ML/... questions. Like what ML model should I use for training this dataset, & some advice on hyperparameter tuning ? That sort of thing. There's a void between the completely free stackoverflow ( even with bounty ) and an odesk. Some in-between system where you pay $10 for 5 minutes of legit expert advice. Anybody ?

Google helpouts too

Re: Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

#196

Hey everyone - thanks for the feedback. I wasn't sure how the response would be but it's been mostly positive so far. I came up with the idea because I wanted to use such a service, but when I couldn't find anything I figured I'd create it and thought it would be fun. Most importantly I want to help people out - the $10 is so I can (somewhat) justify it from a time perspective. So far it turns out I'm spending a lot…

Would be interesting for you to share how many takers you get within the first few days (and then ongoing) of this post.

Re: Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

#198
If I wanted brutal honesty from my friends, I would ask them for it.

If they're not being brutally honest with me, it's typically for a good reason, and they'll do it on request.

I have no idea how a random software engineer on the other side of the world is going to be useful in regards to giving me brutally honest advice without seeing any perspective but my own (the only information he will have to go off is what I tell him).

Re: Your friends are lying to you. For $10, I wont.

#200

50 points in 13 minutes without setting off the anti spam detector? Impressive. I still believe this is vote manipulation, though.

Creator here - no vote manipulation. In fact, I don't actually know anyone who has a hacker news account, believe it or not. Just an intriguing title I suppose?

No vote manipulation but you used another new account 'RainSunshine' to talk sugar about yourself? That was a dumb move.
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