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Re: Plastc Card

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Post by natrius »

tzs wrote: post #180
natrius wrote: post #16

They say this supports chip-and-PIN, but I don't believe them until they explain how. If I have a chip-and-PIN card from my bank, the chip has an unreadable secret used to generate one-time cryptograms to verify the authenticity of the card. There's no way to get that secret onto my Plastc card. You'd need partnerships with banks to get a new secret the way Apple Pay does. Without those, this sounds like it'll be use…

> You'd need partnerships with banks to get a new secret the way Apple Pay does If this is using the EMVCo tokenization stuff, which it is widely believed that Apple is using, I don't think they would have to partner with banks. They'd just have to register with a Token Service Provider. Here's an interesting article on this: http://www.aviso.io/apple-pay-brings-new-problems-acquirers/

One gap in my understanding is who exactly the Token Service Providers are. That article says the card networks are, but I guessed that the issuing banks were when I read the spec the first time. I'll read it again eventually, but if anyone actually knows, please share that knowledge.

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by abalone »

prawn wrote: post #186
abalone wrote: post #181

Faked video. I downloaded it and went frame-by-frame and you can see the card display contents move around with changing margins. It's all CGI. Not that it's inherently wrong to do simulations, but this is notable because they don't include a "this is a simulation" disclaimer (AFAICS).

Sometimes it's necessary to make sure screen contents are legible in a video. You can see someone doing it for the app demo video here: https://medium.com/@djfumberger/lets-make-a-promo-d32e15d574...

That explains how to screencap a real functioning app and composite it on top of real hardware that's otherwise running exactly the same thing. That is not what is going on here.

According to TNW "Plastc didn’t have a prototype for me to see during a meeting" and what they showed was a UI inside of a fake card.

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2014/10/07/plastc-one-payment-car...

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by untog »

easytiger wrote: post #148
untog wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly not. A cup that tells you what you just poured into it is a real product.

Their argument that knowing your hydration quotient is more important to fitness & wellbeing than knowing your calorie intake should get them pummelled. I don't care if they have an MD on their staff. For a start if you care about health & fitness to a degree at all you simply wouldn't drink Red Bull, beer to any amount that it makes a difference. If you do it will be in a binge scenario. I also use the same techniqu…

My favourite part of the whole idea is that in order to get the data they say it helps you with, you'll need to carry your cup everywhere. To the bar. To bed. On vacation. Who would ever do that?

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by duiker101 »

prawn wrote: post #186
abalone wrote: post #181

Faked video. I downloaded it and went frame-by-frame and you can see the card display contents move around with changing margins. It's all CGI. Not that it's inherently wrong to do simulations, but this is notable because they don't include a "this is a simulation" disclaimer (AFAICS).

Sometimes it's necessary to make sure screen contents are legible in a video. You can see someone doing it for the app demo video here: https://medium.com/@djfumberger/lets-make-a-promo-d32e15d574...

I think the parent's comment still has a valid point. In the app demo it is more a presentation of something that we are presented how it is, the app. When we will download the app we will get what we see in the video, it is pretty and gives a realistic idea of the functionality makes the app pretty, but the app is still the same. On the other hand, the video in op's website is simply a fake as in it's not a real representation of anything concrete. It's a promise, a nice one, but still not concrete or real and we all know that the end product might end up highly different from the promise.

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by livingparadox »

lclarkmichalek wrote: post #178
nodesocket wrote: post #11

I really like the idea, but at $155 this is a luxury item for people who have disposable income. Also, with the release of Apple Pay, I truly think eventually all brick and mortar businesses will support paying with your phone.

s/phone/iphone/?

ApplePay is NFC, I believe. So if merchants add the infrastructure to support ApplePay, it should also support Google Waller (also NFC).

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by ahomescu1 »

eclipxe wrote: post #182
timdorr wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, the fact that their home page video features some poorly motion-tracked simulated display. That alone instills some fear in me that this is just complete vaporware.

Of course it is vaporware. They're trying to prove the market exists, sell the product up front, then go build it. Will it ever ship or be remotely as thin and svelte as this mockup? I'm guessing no, but if they pull it off, kudos.

This is what people usually use Kickstarter or Indiegogo for.

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by penprog »

bradfa wrote: post #85
yincrash wrote: post #62

The ridiculous number of features on this card makes it really hard to believe that an unknown startup has the resources to pull it off in the form factor as thin as a credit card. Coin still hasn't gotten there yet (they claim it works at 85% of the locations they visited). Adding more features including wireless charging coils and unknown method for duplicating chip and pin makes me really skeptical that this will…

The microcontroller, smart card interface, eInk screen, bluetooth capability (including antenna), NFC (including antenna), and touch screen all seem reasonable and there isn't anything earth shattering tech wise (but probably a customized asic using off the shelf bits). Connecting this all together on some fiberglass or plastic substrate is hard, and expensive to tool for (I'd expect), but definitely possible. The in…

You really believe you can fit an eink display, a touch screen digitizer, a microcontroller, bluetooth and nfc on a card that thin and sell it for 155 dollars?

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by zo1 »

abalone wrote: post #181

Faked video. I downloaded it and went frame-by-frame and you can see the card display contents move around with changing margins. It's all CGI. Not that it's inherently wrong to do simulations, but this is notable because they don't include a "this is a simulation" disclaimer (AFAICS).

It was quite obviously either completely rendered, or rendered on top of an actual video. It felt like a plain commercial, with "cgi" added ontop of it for effect. I mean, no one expects little flying transparent windows to pop out the side of their card, do they? Of course not. So I don't think they were doing it surreptitiously, but merely to make a pretty "commercial" to sell their product.

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by quink »

untog wrote: post #193
easytiger wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their argument that knowing your hydration quotient is more important to fitness & wellbeing than knowing your calorie intake should get them pummelled. I don't care if they have an MD on their staff. For a start if you care about health & fitness to a degree at all you simply wouldn't drink Red Bull, beer to any amount that it makes a difference. If you do it will be in a binge scenario. I also use the same techniqu…

My favourite part of the whole idea is that in order to get the data they say it helps you with, you'll need to carry your cup everywhere. To the bar. To bed. On vacation. Who would ever do that?

The parents of a one-year-old?

Re: Plastc Card

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Post by [deleted] »

dublinben wrote: post #144
mahyarm wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are targeting women with this device. Look at all the marketing materials. Female main characters, a woman is in the facial recognition part, 'you shouldn't buy this for yourself, buy it for your female wife', clothing shops & restaurants, etc.

The women in my life would find this incredibly useful. Several popular iPhone cases can hold a couple cards. This product would allow you to carry your phone, ID, and every other card in one compact package.

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