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The Suburbs Will Die: One Man's Fight to Fix the American Dream

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Re: The Suburbs Will Die: One Man's Fight to Fix the American Dream

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This really shows up in food. I always cringe when my suburban friends just rave over the meal they had at Maggiano's. There is just so much more in the world to discover outside the comfortable safe world of chain restaurants. That probably sums up the whole suburban experience to me. Comfortable, safe, predictable, beige. As someone who craves adventure (fwiw, I'm edging closer to 40) I just crave the authenticity…

This depends a little on the area and culture. Certainly there's always less variety in a suburb, but there's sometimes good quality and interesting things, there's just not the variety. Or maybe the places I'm thinking of are "great small towns"? What would you call Pleasanton? (I think it's pretty clearly a suburb, and not terribly much more, though certainly it didn't start out that way...).

Pleasanton the town center? That's a fantastic spot and works very much as a small town. The issue is that bulk of the residents live in suburban (well really exurban) subdivisions well away from it. Their day-to-day is very much just a standard suburban experience, even if there is a lot to love n the actual town center.

People tend to think of "urban" as "City of San Francisco (Manhattan, Chicago, etc...)" To me urban is much of a characteristic. Many suburbs have a relatively urban component at their core. If you live on an actual city grid (no windy streets) with strong mixed uses (that you can walk to) throughout your neighborhood then you're living an urban existence in my book. Or at least non-suburban.

I can definitely identify with people living in central Pleasanton, but you don't have to get far outside the center city before it falls off the rails.

Re: The Suburbs Will Die: One Man's Fight to Fix the American Dream

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This depends a little on the area and culture. Certainly there's always less variety in a suburb, but there's sometimes good quality and interesting things, there's just not the variety. Or maybe the places I'm thinking of are "great small towns"? What would you call Pleasanton? (I think it's pretty clearly a suburb, and not terribly much more, though certainly it didn't start out that way...).

Pleasanton the town center? That's a fantastic spot and works very much as a small town. The issue is that bulk of the residents live in suburban (well really exurban) subdivisions well away from it. Their day-to-day is very much just a standard suburban experience, even if there is a lot to love n the actual town center. People tend to think of "urban" as "City of San Francisco (Manhattan, Chicago, etc...)" To me ur…

Seems like a reasonable perspective.

Re: The Suburbs Will Die: One Man's Fight to Fix the American Dream

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5-10 minutes. It's an easy walk. Maybe...2 or 3 long blocks in NYC. I realize of course that I got "lucky" and live in a really especially great suburb. However, I've noticed most of the developments in my area tend to be similar. A central "town center/shopping mall" surrounded by condos and apartments, surrounded by townhouses, surrounded by single family homes.

And that's nice and maybe I'd actually like to live there, but here's another question: How are these 'burbs linked to the outside world? As an example, your description sounds a lot like Issaquah Highlands east of Seattle. Shopping, light commercial, and so on surrounded by individual houses. The problem is, how do those people get to and from work? Massive freeways? Issaquah Highlands is asking to be included on th…

Work from Home (very common here since all homes have had fiber since pre-FiOS days) Car, Commuter Bus (the stop is in the neighborhood). We'll have light rail within 2 miles in a few years and have shuttles to the same rail service (but going in closer to the city). But yeah, most people drive.

Nearby towns (major nearby employment centers) are 10-30 minutes away by car and have ample free parking. Two of the bigger towns are also on the same rail line. The big city is about an hour by car outside of rush hour and you have to pay to park, rail and bus are faster and cheaper. However, all of the major tech employment in the area happens in a belt that stretches from my neighborhood into the city, there's negligible tech work actually in the city.

There's 17-23 million square feet of commercial and office space getting zoned right now that will set up a major employment center about 5 minutes away (with a world trade center and all that jazz). And I can almost but not quite see from one of the two coffee shops I'm working at today, the largest collection of new data center construction on the East Coast. Major tech employers range from aerospace to internet companies to government. So it's all fairly future proof.

So yeah, it's sprawl I guess. But it's not the mile after mile of unending prefab houses that defined suburbia from the 40s to the 90s either (though there is some of that out here as well, just not in my immediate area). From my front window I can see homes designed and built by 3 different developers and I think 8 or 9 participated in total. This isn't custom architecture, but if you get bored you can walk a block and see something that looks different at least.

Today for lunch my major conundrum was should I eat Greek, Thai, American style Chinese, Italian, Burgers, Subs or Tex-Mex within walking distance, or head out in my car for a quick 5-minute spin to get Vietnamese, Indian, Taiwanese or Korean. I decided to walk to my local pizza place, get a couple slices of pizza and then walk to one of my two local coffee shops and hang out for the rest of the day.

A slightly longer drive and I can add in Ethiopian, Bolivian, Salvadorian, Mexican, even more Korean, even more Vietnamese...and of course every kind of chain food you can imagine from Taco Bell to TGIF.

Re: The Suburbs Will Die: One Man's Fight to Fix the American Dream

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One of the things that isn't talked about, my guess is because urbanists also tend to be liberals, is reforming welfare policy. States have largely succeeded in, and the federal government has condoned, treating cities as the primary welfare distribution organ. Public housing is mostly built in the cities, most federal school aid goes into the cities, etc. This concentrates the social problems which welfare attempts…

I'm dubious. Urban centers suck down huge welfare dollars, but that's what you'd expect because they have huge populations. If you read a list of all the federal welfare programs, the only one that sticks out as predominantly "urban" is Section 8. Section 8 is a big program, but it's a rounding error compared to Medicaid, SSDI, and the EITC, which all flow equally to rural areas. Even the food stamp program, which be…

The data is hard to analyze on this point, because the government has a very different definition of "urban" than I think we're using in this thread. In particular, it tends to lump what we think of as urban areas and suburban areas into one "urban" category.

New York State has 19.7 million people. New York City has 8.4 million people, or about 43% of the state's population. But it has 61% of the state's total medicaid recipients: https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/health_care/medicaid/el....

Re: The Suburbs Will Die: One Man's Fight to Fix the American Dream

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I live near Lake City - getting to Ballard is not under an hour by mass transit - it's something like 20 minutes by car. Very frustrating! I hope the new light rail will create more E-W bus routes.

Where do you live that Ballard is an hour away from Lake City? I live at 125th/Lake City Way and the 41 to the 40 at Northgate is 40 minutes. If you really want to take an hour, you could get on the 65 and ride where it turns into the 32 to go to south Ballard via Fremont. Though I do agree, I really hope the station gets properly built at 130th so that hours from the 41 (and maybe even 522) can be diverted to a bus…

Down by 85th. The connections towards Ballard are either at 125th or 65th. There might be a sweet linkage of routes that Google or my wife hasn't found though. :-/
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