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Re: Dear Marc Andreessen

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Post by eli_gottlieb » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 2:20 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #101

coldtea wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the fascists are those with "pro-market" bias? If we are allowed to use terminology like "left" willy nilly.

No, that wouldn't make any sense. Fascism and Socialism are on the same side of the statism fence. Both are anti-free markets. Both argue in favor of a large, powerful government with full control over the economy. The sole variance between them is how they implement and direct their statist controls, not whether they do. The left / right premise as far as Socialism and Fascism is concerned is a fraud.

You can always compute a large similarity between two very different points by projecting them down onto a smaller space, particularly when the smaller space elides most of the real differences.

Or in other words, if you conceive of politics as "statists" versus anti-state proprietarians (what you call "libertarians", which by the way excludes actual anarchists), you can make anything look like anything.

Re: Dear Marc Andreessen

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Post by eli_gottlieb » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 2:26 PM UTC

patrickaljord wrote: post #16

corford wrote: post #5

Very nice to see pmarca's neoliberal idiocy taken apart so thoroughly. Peter Thiel could do with similar treatment imho.

So things we disagree with now can just be labelled as idiocy? And no matter how much you and other statists hate neoliberalism and how it's taken over the world, thing is the world has never been so rich, so peaceful and people have never lived so long and so healthy in the whole history of humanity. So, if neoliberalism is having a bad effect on the world, I wonder what it would do if it had a good effect. I would…

You can't refute other people's ideas and establish the supremacy of proprietarianism by yelling "STATIST!" over and over again.

The sheer fact that you're reduced to this weak grade of "argumentation" shows you either need some serious instruction in rhetoric, or in logic, or you just don't have very good reasons for what you believe.

Re: Dear Marc Andreessen

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Post by eli_gottlieb » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 2:31 PM UTC

SatoshiPacioli wrote: post #7

"Taxi drivers protesting Uber aren’t saying that they want apps out of their cabs. They want leverage to negotiate wages and working conditions so they aren’t barely scraping by. The pushback is on exploitative business models, not technology." I have been on the receiving end of exploitative business models. The answer is Exit, not Voice. Here's why: enough people exit -> wages go up and/or working conditions improv…

>But wait, survival of the fittest and I don't give a shit. I really don't.

I'll remember that when I'm designing something that can ruin your life.

Re: Dear Marc Andreessen

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Post by eli_gottlieb » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 2:33 PM UTC

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #71

alaskamiller wrote: post #3

Tragic that we all inevitably grow up to replace the old outdated system we grew up rebelling, nee disrupting, against. Hunter S. Thompson said something profound and unique to his position. He remarked his biggest fear, and the man knows a thing or two about fear, was waking up to realization that the same people he went to high school with ended up running the show. Here we are. I'm at the same age now as when Marc…

In the end, how much of tech was just about a few guys aggrandizing themselves, not actually benefiting others? From my viewpoint, an enormous amount. Disruptive, my ass. These guys are chasing the same stupid status symbols that everyone else is. They are not the ubermensch that society holds them up to be, just people who finally Made It (tm). Motives are exactly why the outcome will be just as rotten as before.

Nobody outside Silicon Valley ever thought these people were Ubermenschen.