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Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by etherealG »

yalogin wrote: post #25

The extensions for apps look very promising. I don't think Android intents provide this kind of deep integration between apps. But I would wait for some one to confirm that part.

i can confirm that intents are this deeply integrated in android. more so because they are custom, any app can fire or register an intent, so they don't need to be something baked into the OS from the start.

i do like the ideas for extensions apple presented, but they all seem to specific. the android intents i use day to day are way past this.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by culturestate »

moyaRD wrote: post #113

Impress by All the announcements for developer in the WWDC. But taking the perspective of a enduser, there are key features i was hopping to get in iOS 8 that i didn't: -Spotlight Integration For third Party Apps. -Multi-User Support Or Guest Mode -iMessage For Android -App Trials -Fixing The Music App ( Artis-Album View is broken) -Third Party Default Apps

Can you expand a bit on what you mean by "third-party default apps?" I'm not sure I know any users who are particularly vexed that Apple doesn't allow carriers to load up their devices with crapware.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by duncan_bayne »

skeletonjelly wrote: post #142
duncan_bayne wrote: post #141

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Yes. How is that circular? The OP is asking why he can't create separate logins on iOS devices. My answer: because Apple decided to make them single-user, presumably because of the simplicity and UX benefits to be had from that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

Here's how I read the conversation. > Why can't I create multiple accounts? I want this feature. > Because iOS is single-user. It's not circular sorry, I meant to say your answer is stating the question. I don't mean to offend or start a fight. I just read the conversation similar to "I have X why can't I have Y" "Because you have "X". The "by design" is moot when Apple are the designers. It's not some real world con…

Fair enough. This is how I meant it:

> Why can't I create multiple accounts? I want this feature.

> Because we made the decision to make iOS single user because $BENEFITS

Multi-user is, in fact, a very difficult problem to solve from a variety of perspectives: UX, security, app development ...

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by unfamiliar »

nextweek2 wrote: post #170
mirsadm wrote: post #127

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At this point both devices do the core functionality just as well as each other (email, browsing and maps). Android still has better "Google" integration which is important for me. Also I have gotten use to paying $350 for a Nexus device + $18/mo for my plan. I have no intention of ever buying another $800+ device or spending upwards of $100/mo for something which is about the same experience as I have now.

You are probably Generation X. They were less susceptible to advertising. People that pay more for a similar product are not just buying the product, they are also buying style and the ability to set themselves apart from their peers.

> Generation X. They were less susceptible to advertising.

Hah!

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

jwcrux wrote: post #52

I'm personally excited about the possibility of creating an "Emergency Card" ( http://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/health/ ) that's accessible from the lock screen. Currently, I use a screen-shotted contact screen as my wallpaper for my ICE contact - just in case the worst were to happen. This will let me put more information, and might even let me have a wallpaper again!

On the one side, yes; on the other, I doubt people will look at your phone in case of emergency. That is, at the moment - I guess it's quite possible this feature will change that. But that's a generation thing. Still best to have one of those medical bracelets with your blood type and allergies and the like.

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Post by chrisBob »

mkaziz wrote: post #133
italophil wrote: post #128

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What is you $18/month plan? I am still looking for a reasonable one in the US.

If you're in the US, check out Black Wireless (GSM, ATT network), or Republic Wireless.

I have been very happy with Republic Wireless, but I am considering Ting because I am an Apple Fanboy. Black wireless looks very good. I am not sure I how I missed them before now.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by [deleted] »

mirsadm wrote: post #132
italophil wrote: post #128

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What is you $18/month plan? I am still looking for a reasonable one in the US.

I'm from Australia. There are a couple of low cost alternatives here for the moment. The plan I am on gives me 1.5gb/mo and pretty much unlimited talk/text for my use. When I was in Canada/US I couldn't really find any low cost options without a contract.

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Post by interpol_p »

devcpp wrote: post #184
interpol_p wrote: post #144

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> Google doesn't make third party developers second class citizens: it makes apps using the same tools and apis as available to everyone, and distributes them the same way that everyone else distributes their apps. This is exactly my problem with Google. They seem to prioritise developers over users. Apple does the opposite. As a developer I prefer this — I've been rejected many times, and many times it was because I…

What's so awesome about Android is that Google can't reject you, since you can just install any APKs you want. If you can't appreciate that (among all the other freedom features, like root, ADB, customization, etc), you don't really get Android's philosophy.

That's true — I'd acknowledge that as a nice aspect of Android from a developer or enthusiast user point of view.

I believe that iOS would be less successful if it had similar capability, though. (I'm also the kind of person that doesn't really mind spending $100/year on a Dev account to install what I want.)

The point is that for the vast majority, and for developers looking to make a living, the play store can reject you. So for my purposes Google is pretty much in full control here.

Re: Apple Introduces iOS 8

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Post by mikeash »

Too wrote: post #166
mikeash wrote: post #146

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What cruft? Have a button somewhere that lets you switch to a different user. When you switch, you enter that other user's PIN or password. Then you see their apps, have their data, etc. When you switch back, you see your apps, have your data, etc. It doesn't have to be very complicated. Even on a Mac, the "cruft" amounts to my name sitting in the menu bar, and having to choose who to log in as before I put in my pas…

It sounds simple but it's not. Take android for example, i thought i could quickly set up a guest/party account without my email and things like that. Creating the account and selecting the allowed apps was very easy, the problems came later. First, all my system settings wasn't cloned, to the new account i had to re-add things you take for granted like my localized keyboards and stuff like that, can't remember if wi…

I find it odd that your first comment is a complaint that setting up a new user actually acts like a new user. Of course your settings didn't carry over. That's the whole point of separate user accounts.

I see no need to overcomplicate it. A user account system where each account acts like a separate device (aside from the unfortunate realities of sharing storage resources) would be fine. What apps share state? None! What music gets shared? None! What settings get shared? None!

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