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Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Profit makes more sense to me, because it ties into the directly proceeding line "Please take me, please calm me, please make me a zombie". Aes is clearly talking about advertising and (broadly) media here, and while the double meaning of "prophet" does contribute to the line, the surface meaning is that he's donating his brain (attention) to the Panasonic profit (from advertising). However, that said, that page ( ht…

It's obviously both "profit" and "prophet." Neither one is wrong.

I can see it either way, but this isn't quantum mechanics. It cannot in fact be both words at once.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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Many here seem to be interpreting vocabulary size as a signal for quality. When it comes to rap I completely disagree. Firstly, the repetition is rap's main ingredient. I read an article a while ago where researchers found that listening to a spoken phrase that is looped activates the same part of the brain as music, which helps explain this phenomenon. Personally, if I want food for thought I read. Rap is not an int…

It's mostly the voice...

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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Makes me very happy to see Aesop Rock in the number #1 spot. He isn't as underground as many people assume, still relatively unknown in the mainstream, but well known enough to sell records and sell-out shows. I wasn't a big fan of his 2012 release Skelethon, but the way he structures his lyrics and the meaning behind them means he never writes a bad lyric.

Interestingly Eminem whom I would have thought would rank pretty highly for his clever method of word bending and enunciation is only in the middle of the scale. Still a whole lot better than some of his counterparts, but still surprising. Another interesting thing to note is Eminem being grouped in the same league as the likes of Jay-Z, Rakim and Lupe Fiasco. With only a couple of hundred unique words separating them from one another.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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post #3

Kool Keith should be exempt from this list. He's not from any of the 4 regions listed, but from Jupiter.

From the song 'Earth People'

" First patient, pull out the skull, remove the cancer Breaking his back, chisel necks for the answer Supersonic bionic robot voodoo power Equator ex my chance to flex skills on Ampex With power meters and heaters gauge anti-freeze

Octagon oxygen, aluminum intoxicants More ways to blow blood cells in your face React with four bombs and six fire missiles Armed with seven rounds of space doo-doo pistols

You may not believe, living on the Earth planet My skin is green and silver, warhead looking mean

Astronauts get played, tough like the ukelele As I move in rockets, overriding, levels Nothing's aware, same data, same system"

[...] Hook x4

Earth People, New York and California Earth People, I was born on Jupiter.

yup, Jupiter indeed. God I love this song.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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post #113

OP: Did your analysis of MF DOOM include his work alongside Madlib as Madvillian or his various other pseudonyms (King Geedorah, Viktor Vaughn, etc.)? I find it a little hard to believe he's not at least in the Wu Tang/Canibus/KK cluster, if not #1 overall.

I can't take this list seriously until DOOM is at the top, I agree with you guys. Daniel Dumile is on his own level no doubt.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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For those who aren't familiar with Aesop Rock, I'd invite you to give him a listen sometime. His earlier albums, in particular, have been very influential to me in many ways. Both in my artistic and professional careers. From comments on the conditions of the working man and the condition of feeling trapped in a "j-o-b"[1]: "Now we the American working population Hate the fact that eight hours a day Is wasted on chas…

Aesop is an excellent lyricist. In fact all the MCs on the Rhymesayers label are very talented: Brother Ali, Slug (of Atmosphere) etc. One MC whose vocabulary always leaves me taken aback is RA Scion, who has been part of the group Common Market. Their song, "My Pathology" [0] is a shining example: "Below the terra ferma's the murmur of many men Resonatin' the predication of RA's eponym It requires a higher degree of…

Thanks for mentioning Slug. It'd be interesting to see where he (and Bus-Driver) came in on the vocab scale.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that there is a lot of catering to the lowest common denominator in the music industry, both in pop music and the "best songs of all time" lists. However, I think the parent post has a point. (Now, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to effectively articulate it) The point of music isn't necessarily an insight . Listening to music is an experience , which is about how it makes you feel. Sometimes…

exactly. if you connect with art based on how "obvious" you find it, you are going to have a very shallow and boring art career. sometimes being obvious is what makes it art in the first place. hell, some art needs to be obvious.

The inverse of broad appeal is the concept of The Long Tail, where there's a vast array of niche artists, that appeal to a small number of people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tail

There's a book by the same title, written by Chris Anderson:

http://www.thelongtail.com

Prior to the internet, when advertising and media outlets were centralized, and retail businesses were distributed geographically, it was very difficult to gain a large following with niche appeal. But now that the internet has inverted the scenario, with decentralized, global exposure, and centralized market places like ebay and amazon, niche artists have a fighting chance at becoming famous within their genre.

In other words, it used to be that the only way to catch some exposure was to appeal to centralized broadcasting networks, and they only took chances on performers who were low risk. Now, with the internet, risk doesn't really matter, and mass appeal is literally measured by the size of your following. The larger your following is, by default, the more compromises you'll have made to appeal to everyone following you.

If you capture 1/2 the world as your audience, then you appeal to a broader, and more diverse audience, which has less in common with each other member of your audience, than if you managed to capture 1/4 the world. Getting half the world to agree on something, as opposed to creating something that three quarters of the world cannot relate to.

So, Aesop Rock raps about hating your boss, and many people say: "Gee, yeah, I hate my boss too! This guy's awesome!", but Kool Keith raps about Kenworths with wings, and lots of people are like: "Is he weird?" because lowest common denominator.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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Many here seem to be interpreting vocabulary size as a signal for quality. When it comes to rap I completely disagree. Firstly, the repetition is rap's main ingredient. I read an article a while ago where researchers found that listening to a spoken phrase that is looped activates the same part of the brain as music, which helps explain this phenomenon. Personally, if I want food for thought I read. Rap is not an int…

> It seems that the best rappers are in the middle, and being on either extreme is a negative signal. Objectively, I don't think that is an accurate assessment. There are highly respected artists all across the chart, including the extremes. For instance, Wu-Tang Clan and its members at the upper extreme and Kanye, Snoop and Tupac at the lower extreme.

Yeah I agree, that statement was definitely a stretch. There are well respected rappers across the spectrum, which is my main point: that the interpretation of the chart as a proxy for quality is wrong.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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For those who aren't familiar with Aesop Rock, I'd invite you to give him a listen sometime. His earlier albums, in particular, have been very influential to me in many ways. Both in my artistic and professional careers. From comments on the conditions of the working man and the condition of feeling trapped in a "j-o-b"[1]: "Now we the American working population Hate the fact that eight hours a day Is wasted on chas…

Easily one of my favorite artists. I'm sad they didn't include more Rhymesayers Artists. I think a lot of them would be to the right of this scale. Guys like P.O.S. and Brother Ali are also very versatile.
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