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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by cmurdock »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #182
archagon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

This is definitely a cultural difference. In many countries in Europe driving a car is considered a pleasure and a skill. Driving manual vs. automatic is considered the same as playing a guitar vs. playing Guitar Hero.

Wonder if that has something to do with size of America relative to most countries in Europe. Americans just simply have to drive more and for longer distances. Driving doesn't seem so fun in the midwest.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by tbyehl »

jamesjguthrie wrote: post #57

I'd like to see this available in a double-DIN sized unit that could be fitted in any car. Instead of it only being available in 2014+ cars.

Or as an open standard. There are Chinese companies selling Android decks on eBay that fit into nearly every odd-sized car stereo opening out there, complete with plug-and-play wiring harnesses and steering-wheel control integration.

Otherwise, my newest car is seven years old, so maybe I'll get CarPlay around 2022.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by smackfu »

_djo_ wrote: post #103
beloch wrote: post #16

If I were an auto manufacturer, I'd be pushing Apple to open up the standard for interfacing this with phones. iOS and iPhones are great, but are still only used by a fraction of potential customers. Why limit your market so Apple can score some lock-in?

From the brief amount of information available so far, CarPlay doesn't seem to preclude the in-car system from supporting other mobile phone OS's. For instance it seems possible to equip a vehicle with, let's say, the Open Automotive Alliance's in-car Android system that can use Project Mode with Android phones and also implement CarPlay for when iPhones are present. After all, CarPlay appears to be dependent on the…

Seems like it mainly depends on Apple's licensing terms.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by selmnoo »

bananas wrote: post #117
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to think automatics were horrible (I live in the UK, drove manual for 15 years) then I got one... In terms of fuel economy, isn't it just a matter of time before automatics become as economical (then probably more economical) than manuals? Even without anticipating future events? Driving efficiently feels like something a computer could optimise for and that a human has no natural advantage doing.

You'd think so but I get 7mpg more than the best rated Toyota hybrid which is supposedly the most efficient thing out there. Bear in mind I drive a 6 year old 1.3L diesel Fiat van converted to a people carrier which is as aerodynamic as a shed. It also has 3 children, a buggy and a pile of crap in it. Perhaps a computer could optimise this better but I doubt it. The computer and automatic box just goes when you push…

> You'd think so but I get 7mpg more than the best rated Toyota hybrid which is supposedly the most efficient thing out there.

You sure about that? Because I easily get about 70 mpg on my Prius (C class) when I'm supermiling in the city. Granted it's not as efficient on the highway, and unfortunately I do have to do a lot of highway travel. I can sustain a good a 55mpg average at the end of the month though. I plan to start borrowing my wife's whenever I'm on the highway, I think this way I can average mpg in the 70s overall when I do this.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by return0 »

I was looking for a 2DIN car unit running android the other day and could only find some generic Chinese models. I m wondering why it takes so long for car computers to catch up with the world, it looks like a largely unexploited market. Glad to see Apple stirring the waters, although they ll probably keep their platform closed.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by wlesieutre »

hisyam wrote: post #138
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

I agree that certain dashboard functionality are better handled by knobs, switches, and sliders. However if you look into the webpage above, CarPlay only supports Phone, Music, Maps, and Messages, the kind of features that are better handled by touchscreen. As for Messages, it can read the text messages for you.

Also Podcasts, Beats Radio, iHeartRadio, Spotify, and Stitcher.

I'm curious if Apple will be controlling what apps are allowed to work with CarPlay to keep people from putting millions of Flappy Bird clones on a screen that drivers shouldn't be looking at. My guess would be yes, but all it says for now is "Stay tuned for even more supported apps coming soon."

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by shimfish »

morganvachon wrote: post #145
cmelbye wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not a phone on the market that will project an interface over Bluetooth to a display in the car. What curve are they behind exactly?

Do you really think it's mirroring the phone's display onto the car's screen? That would be pointless, as you don't want dozens of irrelevant app icons cluttering your car's display. You want the basic controls that are useful in a car, with large targets that can be hit with a glance and later with muscle memory. If you really think they are just mirroring the display, then you didn't even look at the linked Apple p…

My guess is that the iOS SDK has been expanded to allow for a second screen that is output over lightning. So no, it's not mirroring the phone screen, but displaying another screen powered by the phone. This would seem to fit with it being iPhone5 and above only as lightning is designed to have these sorts of custom digital output.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by [deleted] »

morganvachon wrote: post #145
cmelbye wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not a phone on the market that will project an interface over Bluetooth to a display in the car. What curve are they behind exactly?

Do you really think it's mirroring the phone's display onto the car's screen? That would be pointless, as you don't want dozens of irrelevant app icons cluttering your car's display. You want the basic controls that are useful in a car, with large targets that can be hit with a glance and later with muscle memory. If you really think they are just mirroring the display, then you didn't even look at the linked Apple p…

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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by wf »

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

>>why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls?

They're not, Garmin has offered not only custom touch screen flight decks[0] but they also have an ipad app that can be flown with.[1]

[0]https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/aviation/flight-decks/g3000-... [1]https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-pilot/id340917615?mt=...

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by morganvachon »

shimfish wrote: post #158
morganvachon wrote: post #132

Wait, so this works with the iPhone 5, yet you have to plug in your phone to make it work? What is this, 2003? I get in my car, the radio syncs up to my WP8 phone via Bluetooth, and if I get a text message I can have the car read it to me. I can dictate the response, or choose to ignore it, or call back the person, all with my voice. It can play music from my phone, including internet radio. I can call up an address…

I'm sure you can do all that with bluetooth on the iPhone too. The point here is the touchscreen appears to be an extension of the phone.

Again, I don't see why that needs USB tethering, apart from keeping the phone charged. If it's just an extension screen, with a sensibly small number of large icons relative to driving, it can be done (and has been done in the past) via wireless links. Much like the Sony Smartwatch, Pebble, or Galaxy Gear, the external screen is just a remote control for certain specific functions.

But this is Apple, so perhaps they want to make sure the interface only works with their phones. That makes sense as they are designing the in-car interface in the first place.

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