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Re: Microsoft is Dead (2007)

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Post by dclara » Thu, Feb 06, 2014, 2:46 AM UTC

Thiz wrote: post #137

Microsoft wanted to destroy the web, and they lost. They tried to destroy linux, and they lost. They tried to destroy apple, and they lost. They tried to destroy android, and they lost. That's why we, web, linux, apple, android fans hate microsoft with a passion. While they succeeded in destroying so many other companies and technologies, we were there and we fought those fights. We never forget.

You made the point. Although it was not that explicit, from IE destroyed Netscape, I can see the other intentions. Fortunately, Linux, Apple, Android survives. MS tried to play monopoly which hampered the competition. The same for Google now. Maybe once you are no.1, you will be like that, but it's near eye sighted.

Re: Microsoft is Dead (2007)

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Post by ajcarpy2005 » Thu, Feb 06, 2014, 4:48 AM UTC

72deluxe wrote: post #106

ajcarpy2005 wrote: post #75

Microsoft is lumbering and beurocratic but they do actually ship a lot of code and support the developer community. Xbox is also very successful obviously. Windows 8 was a huge flop in most people's opinion due to terrible user interface, despite the welcome creation of a Windows app store. They still have a lot of momentum behind them because of all the PC applications that only work with Windows. It's an interestin…

The strange thing is that with Windows XP, you could go online and search for software from within it. You could "get software" from within XP (somewhere in the Control Panel I think?) Perhaps it didn't take off due to the lack of wide-ranging Internet connectivity at the time. But they did at least attempt an online shop/store at the time. But everyone forgets this.

Ah, I think I know what you're talking about. Was this where their games like "Motocross Madness" were available for trial or purchase? I see the convenience of a nice searchable, organized app store but the decision to bifurcate Windows 8 into two completely separate desktop environments and then hide all the useful controls off of the screen (in corners) seems completely asinine. There's probably keyboard shortcuts that make navigation easier but there needs to be a good GUI for those users who are used to using their PC that way.

Re: Microsoft is Dead (2007)

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Post by 72deluxe » Thu, Feb 06, 2014, 9:56 AM UTC

ajcarpy2005 wrote: post #192

72deluxe wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strange thing is that with Windows XP, you could go online and search for software from within it. You could "get software" from within XP (somewhere in the Control Panel I think?) Perhaps it didn't take off due to the lack of wide-ranging Internet connectivity at the time. But they did at least attempt an online shop/store at the time. But everyone forgets this.

Ah, I think I know what you're talking about. Was this where their games like "Motocross Madness" were available for trial or purchase? I see the convenience of a nice searchable, organized app store but the decision to bifurcate Windows 8 into two completely separate desktop environments and then hide all the useful controls off of the screen (in corners) seems completely asinine. There's probably keyboard shortcuts…

Precisely. Windows-C for the charm etc. isn't obvious. It isn't even obvious what this charm thing is either, or why I need to move the cursor over to the edge of the screen.

This will completely confuse most Windows users who are used to clicking on things that they see, not magically waving the cursor around to make things appear and then clicking on non-obvious vague silhouette-style icons.

Re: Microsoft is Dead (2007)

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Post by angryasian » Thu, Feb 06, 2014, 4:43 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #123

codeulike wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of those things that Microsof were hated for in the 90s are just mainstream tech business practice in 2014. For better or worse, they were trailblazers that big tech companies since have copied, not just a one-off bad guy. Apple, Google, Amazon and Facebook are all doing exactly the same stuff, where they can and where they calculate they can get away with it.

IBM existed before Microsoft.

agree, these practices were standard and around before microsoft, but doesn't mean we still can't dislike companies for doing it.

Re: Microsoft is Dead (2007)

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Post by DigitalJack » Wed, Feb 12, 2014, 2:08 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #17

DigitalJack wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well the op deleted their post to stop the downvote flood, but the real issue is that it was pg stating that he knows they "seemed" dangerous. That "seemed" means, "my opinion of them." You could read it as pg saying "I know that my opinion of microsoft in 2001 was they were dangerous because I wrote an essay about it back then."

> but the real issue is that it was pg stating that he knows they "seemed" dangerous. That "seemed" means, "my opinion of them." That makes no sense at all, since PGs argument wasn't that they seemed dangerous to him , it was that it was his opinion that they were less dangerous that they seemed to other people . His more recent claim is saying that he was aware of the general perception of Microsoft's danger in 2001…

you completely misread that.