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Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

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Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#191

Wow. This is low. The statement is absolute bullshit too: "In this instance, the New York City team was a bit too ambitious and we'll make sure they tone down their sales tactics." No, this is unacceptable. This sort of fraudulent behavior deserves consequences larger than "hey, stop that". I live in NYC. The Uber app has now been banished from my phone. It's too bad the Gett app is kind of an unpolished turd.

Same here, good bye Uber.

Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#192

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If you order pizzas and pay for them, you're completely the transaction as expected. If you order a car from a car service and then cancel it, you're not. The fact that a cancellation fee exists doesn't give you the right to use the system in such an unintended manner. A better analogy than the pizza analogy might be a "customer" repeatedly buying clothes with the intent to wear and then return them. Despite the fact…

There is nothing illegal about repeatedly buying clothes, then returning. If I do that enough the store may bar me from the premises for being exceedingly annoying, but they certainly can't charge me with anything.

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Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#193

This is one of the reasons traditional cab services are heavily regulated: to avoid these sorts of battles. It's in the interest of a municipality to have stable, predictable, reliable public transportation. Price wars, selective service, and tactics like these disrupt that stability.

Uber mostly found traction in SF where they started because regulation did not deliver reliable transportation. Street hails mostly worked if you could find one and didn't need them to accept a credit card, but if you called a cab company for a ride, you could easily waste an hour waiting for a cab that never shows up at all.

Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#194

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"It's dickish, but no actual harm is done." In the case of a real restaurant, yes there is harm done. The cost of taking an order is not zero for people: it cost people time and real customers may not be served in time. Maybe not for this particular case with Gett since they're automated.

It's still not fraud to call someone and waste their time for a while. See also: telemarketers

Wasting their time via deception might be though.

Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#196
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Wow. This is low. The statement is absolute bullshit too: "In this instance, the New York City team was a bit too ambitious and we'll make sure they tone down their sales tactics." No, this is unacceptable. This sort of fraudulent behavior deserves consequences larger than "hey, stop that". I live in NYC. The Uber app has now been banished from my phone. It's too bad the Gett app is kind of an unpolished turd.

It's pretty clear they were doing this to harvest phone numbers of drivers (why does Gett give out their drivers' phone numbers?) rather than any attempt to actually disrupt Gett's business. I would be rather hesitant to call this "fraud", as that's a very serious allegation.

I assume there's something in Gett's terms of service prohibiting what Uber was doing. If so, they're liable under the CFAA.

Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's dickish, but no actual harm is done." In the case of a real restaurant, yes there is harm done. The cost of taking an order is not zero for people: it cost people time and real customers may not be served in time. Maybe not for this particular case with Gett since they're automated.

It's still not fraud to call someone and waste their time for a while. See also: telemarketers

Fraud is only one type of harm. The bigger question is whether there is harm, regardless of type. In the restaurant case, there is harm even though it's not fraud. In Gett's case it's not really fraud either but one can argue there was harm done as well. Information can confer competitive advantage. The question that remains is who's fault it is. It's kind of dumb on Gett's part to leave themselves wide open. I'm not experienced enough in jurisprudence to really determine that.

Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#198

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They're paying cancellation fees. If I order a bunch of pizzas from Pizza Hut in order to find out who the drivers were, and paid for them , then there's no issue. Even though I don't intend on eating the pizzas, I still paid for the service. In this case, Uber is paying the cancellation fees for the privilege of booking, then cancelling, a Gett ride.

With the intent to disrupt business. They can be easily sued for this practice. This isn't a consumer doing so, this is a company having their employees vehemently attack a competitor.

Exactly.

Legit customers can't book cars because they're busy and when they do the drivers might bail because they think its yet another fake order.

Screw Uber. Theyre not a tech start-up, they're an illegal car service masquerading as a tech company.

Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you order pizzas and pay for them, you're completely the transaction as expected. If you order a car from a car service and then cancel it, you're not. The fact that a cancellation fee exists doesn't give you the right to use the system in such an unintended manner. A better analogy than the pizza analogy might be a "customer" repeatedly buying clothes with the intent to wear and then return them. Despite the fact…

There is nothing illegal about repeatedly buying clothes, then returning. If I do that enough the store may bar me from the premises for being exceedingly annoying, but they certainly can't charge me with anything.

Some localities do have laws forbidding buying something with the intent to return it.

Re: Uber rival accuses car service of dirty tactics

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you order pizzas and pay for them, you're completely the transaction as expected. If you order a car from a car service and then cancel it, you're not. The fact that a cancellation fee exists doesn't give you the right to use the system in such an unintended manner. A better analogy than the pizza analogy might be a "customer" repeatedly buying clothes with the intent to wear and then return them. Despite the fact…

There is nothing illegal about repeatedly buying clothes, then returning. If I do that enough the store may bar me from the premises for being exceedingly annoying, but they certainly can't charge me with anything.

I said it was fraudulent, which it definitely is. Whether or not it fits the legal definition of fraud is debatable.
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