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Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by shangxiao »

primitivesuave wrote: post #125
obstacle1 wrote: post #79

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primitivesuave's post is fraught with unconscious sexism. That is the problem. First he generalizes that all adolescent males put on "pseudo-masculine efforts". No they don't. That's just as much a stereotype as "all girls suck at coding" or whatever stereotype-du-jour militant feminists are raging about this week. Maybe a few of the students put on "displays" that he considers to be "pseudo-masculine efforts". That…

I'm not saying all males put on pseudo-masculine efforts, I'm saying it only takes one kid who makes an inappropriate joke like changing "public void" to "pubic void" when we're doing a code review. In such a situation, the boy will suppress a smile while he innocently exclaims he made a typo, while his friends all giggle innocuously. If you don't work with kids, you will not fully understand how the adolescent mind…

You may well be justified in doing what you do, I'm not arguing for or against it, but comments like the ones you make contribute to the whole popular "women are better than men" trend that we are experiencing.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by ChrisNorstrom »

vacri wrote: post #178
ramblerman wrote: post #121

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" All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company..." Yeah, I think maybe you're the one that is slightly deluded. OP offered a realistic view of what a coding job often implies, and why it might not be that glamorous to many women. You pretend they're all going to own their own company and make a ton of money.

No, he didn't. He said "smart women choose not to go into coding. Leave that to us men to handle for you". Men hate the job? Really? Then why has Silicon Valley filled up with men from all over the world struggling to crowbar their way into it? Coding isn't a horrible job - if it was, you wouldn't have such high salaries and companies with anti-poaching arrangements to prevent further inflating those salaries. It was…

I originally thought his comment was sarcasm as well. His subconscious bias is making itself apparent and he's not consciously aware of it. Same with the other posters who replied to my comment. They're trying to disagree without actually making a point.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by ChrisNorstrom »

tomp wrote: post #156
[deleted] wrote: post #96

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> Don't become entrepreneurs. All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company is just ~terrible~. I think that a generally good advice, not just for "the Ladies" you refer to. Most businesses fail, many entrepreneurs burn out, and attributing money and fame to startup owners is caused by the survivorship bias.

I disagree. There are 28 million small businesses in the US, employing 50% of the working population, and having generated 65% of new jobs since 1995. Shooing people away (especially women) thinking it weeds out the pussies is like telling your kids to not go for that job promotion at work.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by belorn »

tommorris wrote: post #189
belorn wrote: post #166

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You post strongly reminded me of the Physician's Oath. I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient; Teach like that. Everyone deserve the chance to learn and grow as human beings.

But that's the thing. In healthcare, we do find disparities in terms of things like race/ethnicity/national background, social standing and sexual orientation. If you are born in the wealthy London suburb of Hampstead, you are likely to live eleven years longer than someone born in to a family in the much poorer Somers Town/St Pancras area. If you are a sexually active gay man, you are more likely to contract HIV/AID…

The comparison, while similar is not an fair one. I would call it intellectually dishonest comparison, but I am going to try give it the benefit of the doubt.

Free condom dispenser is quite minor, with a clear benefit. A black only hospital would however be a bit different. Most countries made away with such concept a life time ago, yet we do all-girls classes/schools.

There was also a new article a few days ago about grants given exclusively to female students. To compare that to the medical world, that is like giving gay people free HIV treatment, while demanding full price of people with different sexual orientation (resulting in some of those getting sub-optimal or no treatment plans). Would it be acceptable for government to make such policy?

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by JonnieCache »

Zombieball wrote: post #177
JonnieCache wrote: post #152

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>Not trying to sound like a feminist (I am far from one) but I believe what women are being robbed of is 'equality'. Does not compute.

Haha, until this comment thread I don't think I ever would have written that sentence. Maybe I should go buy a bra to burn...

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/burnbra.asp

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by boyaka »

vacri wrote: post #178
ramblerman wrote: post #121

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" All the money, fame, and the joy of owning your own company..." Yeah, I think maybe you're the one that is slightly deluded. OP offered a realistic view of what a coding job often implies, and why it might not be that glamorous to many women. You pretend they're all going to own their own company and make a ton of money.

No, he didn't. He said "smart women choose not to go into coding. Leave that to us men to handle for you". Men hate the job? Really? Then why has Silicon Valley filled up with men from all over the world struggling to crowbar their way into it? Coding isn't a horrible job - if it was, you wouldn't have such high salaries and companies with anti-poaching arrangements to prevent further inflating those salaries. It was…

I see exceptions, true. But even more so I see the trend. I see exceptions becoming more rare.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by theorique »

notastartup wrote: post #7

To the Boys of HackerNews: I am a Male Founder who Codes but no one cares because there's too many of us and that makes us not at all interesting. Have women have ever been robbed of being able to code like voting? Why does it receive so much attention? What adversity did they need to overcome to be where they are? Is it physical like someone who suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome or glaucoma overcoming their disabi…

Bravo.

What females need to realize is that they have the same God-given talents as anybody else (i.e. men).

I know many girls who are great coders and can stand toe-to-toe with men in a coding throwdown. But they don't make their sex a thing that everybody else needs to recognize, they just get on with the job. You don't read/hear them blogging and whining about how hard they have it because they use their talent to overcome obstacles, not complain about them.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by boyaka »

daleharvey wrote: post #49
ekianjo wrote: post #32

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Notice the question mark after the "lack of skills" - I'm just saying this may be one reason among others. Not everything revolves around gender .

Even accepting it as a questionable hypothesis is ridiculous. Everything does not revolve around gender, which is why a lot of people (not just 'some women') question why this industry revolves entirely around the male gender. Comments like yours help exacerbate that.

Questioning about whether something revolves around gender is kinda making us revolve more around gender.

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Post by [deleted] »

belorn wrote: post #188
daleharvey wrote: post #184

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Most of the recent things I have read have been a summation of this study - http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/08/21/sf.sot... In particular I think I noticed http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/gender-societ... Which mainly discusses how many women leave STEM compared to over fields and to do what. However if I didnt find any emperical studies to backup my anecdote I wouldnt really care, unle…

Neither of those studies shows that women leaves STEM because of an "hostile environment". Study1: What does emerge is that investments and job rewards that generally stimulate field commitment, such as advanced training and high job satisfaction, fail to build commitment among women in STEM. The second study is more interesting, but is only speculative (i.e. Not scientific). “We suspect that the retention deficit in…

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Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Post by _bfhp »

nthrow wrote: post #168
_bfhp wrote: post #164

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It is reactionary, i.e. its MO is to paint "feminism" as monolithic and dangerous. If these men really cared about gender inequality and the problems they face as men, they would see that many branches of feminism, like radical feminism, offers solutions where everyone comes out the winner. But that's not what "men's rights" is for. This is coming from a man who has learned a lot by listening to women instead of cons…

There are men's rights practitioners that support the egalitarian aims of feminism. Equality is what reasonable MRAs and feminists want. Unreasonable MRAs and feminists, however, are more interested in having someone to blame.

"egalitarian aims of feminism" keep demonstrating you know little about what the word "feminism" refers to, go on
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