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$10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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I fail to see what "rising up" against an army of random alt accounts on Twitter would have accomplished. Those are people completely irrelevant to the scene, we don't work with them, they don't contribute to our culture, we're not responsible for their actions, we're not even affected by their actions (no, being tweeted at is not being affected). Not addressing them is the best course of action. Further I don't real…

> I fail to see what "rising up" against an army of random alt accounts on Twitter would have accomplished. To let women know that they will be supported when speaking out against sexism. To let everybody know we defend our own. > I don't really see evidence of this having caused more fear among women in tech. Keep looking, then. I've seen plenty of it. > And it turned out she had a history of doing such shockingly a…

>To let women know that they will be supported when speaking out against sexism. To let everybody know we defend our own.

Unfortunately in this case it was also imperative not to give the impression that one condoned Richards's actions at the conference.

>Keep looking, then. I've seen plenty of it.

Your anecdote vs. my anecdote. Nobody wins this round.

>That claim has been debunked

First off, that blog post doesn't debunk anything. Everything Blum wrote still stands.

Second, that wasn't what I was talking about. Try these:

https://twitter.com/adriarichards/statuses/6039856858

https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/313946261055221760

>I'm not seeing anything particularly horrible

People shouldn't have to fear political zealots tarring and feathering them publicly without a chance for defence or private resolution. Foster a culture of civility, not trigger-happy ignorant activism.

>Because of decades of effort to make tech, and everything else, less of an old boys' club

As far as I know the first programming language ever was arguably written by a woman. Women have _always_ been in tech, always will be in tech. The barriers are so much lower than sensationalist ideologues would have us believe. Especially vis-a-vis other industries. Here if you have chops, you're in. The women making things happen at PyCon are evidence of this, are role models for tech-leaning young women to look up to; evil snake oil salespeople whose only real skills are yelling loudly, as we had in this case, have no place in tech and are themselves discouraging women from entering the field.

>understanding why a sexually charged environment keeps women of merit out of tech

Skilled women aren't running away from tech because men could possibly say "penis" within earshot of them. Someone who takes extreme offense at a dongle joke to the degree that it prevents them from working in their preferred industry probably aren't mature enough to live in the real world, much less hold down an actual job. There's nothing sexually charged about penis jokes. Penises are for urinating too.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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I am a woman, and I work in software development, so I'm assuming I fit in your group called "women in tech". I have no idea what insults, abuse, threats, contempt, ridicule, disdain, and disregard I apparently have been routinely facing. If "women in tech" did suffer so severely on a daily basis, it would not be relevant to Richards. Her job description seems to be "Developer Evangelist". I'm not sure what that spec…

> "It is unfortunate that Richards received the huge storms of abuse that she did. But she chose to handle the situation in a way that invited that abuse, when there were clear ways to "speak up" that would not have resulted in such abuse." This reasoning bothers me. Let's stipulate that Adria's post to Twitter was a mistake. You seem to say that the abuse is her fault, because if she hadn't made that mistake, she wo…

> But shouldn't punishments be proportional to crimes? We all seem to agree that it's barbaric to cut off a shoplifter's hand, or to hand out the death penalty for petty crimes (as was once common in England, for instance).

I agree. So let's not fire people for saying "dongle".

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

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PyCon had 500 women out of 2500 attendance. Gave away over $100,000 in financial aid. Gave away 2500 Raspberry Pi's. Thought kids to code. Raised $10,000 for the PyLadies. Gave permission to publish amazing online videos etc. And then you have these 3 idiots (and more online idiots) that steal the spotlight and everybody focuses on them. Sigh. Let's focus on the positive stuff!

and promoted sexism, twice. affirmative action is wrong. always. that's the reason racism/sexism/etc exist in the first place. everyone who feels superior donating to those causes are misguided egoistics.

So - before affirmative action, there was no racism, sexism, etc.?? Do you mean the behaviors commonly associated with those "-isms" did not exist? Or that society's attitudes towards those behaviors did not exist? Or. . .

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

#194

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> I fail to see what "rising up" against an army of random alt accounts on Twitter would have accomplished. To let women know that they will be supported when speaking out against sexism. To let everybody know we defend our own. > I don't really see evidence of this having caused more fear among women in tech. Keep looking, then. I've seen plenty of it. > And it turned out she had a history of doing such shockingly a…

>To let women know that they will be supported when speaking out against sexism. To let everybody know we defend our own. Unfortunately in this case it was also imperative not to give the impression that one condoned Richards's actions at the conference. >Keep looking, then. I've seen plenty of it. Your anecdote vs. my anecdote. Nobody wins this round. >That claim has been debunked First off, that blog post doesn't d…

Ok. It looks like we'll never agree. All I see is somebody using the cover of anonymity to defend his privilege.

You apparently aren't talking to women in tech, and you certainly aren't listening to them. If I say X exists and you say you haven't seen it, your approach is to dodge. You're making big, fluffy straw men. You're straining at gnats and swallowing camels. And now, with the last paragraph, you've gotten to saying that there's nothing sexually charged about talking about big sexual organs.

It's not my job to argue anonymous cowards into seeing obvious facts. Have fun.

Re: $10,000 Raised for PyLadies at PyCon 2013

#195

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>To let women know that they will be supported when speaking out against sexism. To let everybody know we defend our own. Unfortunately in this case it was also imperative not to give the impression that one condoned Richards's actions at the conference. >Keep looking, then. I've seen plenty of it. Your anecdote vs. my anecdote. Nobody wins this round. >That claim has been debunked First off, that blog post doesn't d…

Ok. It looks like we'll never agree. All I see is somebody using the cover of anonymity to defend his privilege. You apparently aren't talking to women in tech, and you certainly aren't listening to them. If I say X exists and you say you haven't seen it, your approach is to dodge. You're making big, fluffy straw men. You're straining at gnats and swallowing camels. And now, with the last paragraph, you've gotten to…

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