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Re: Why the Fuck?

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My fellow HNers: It does depress me, daily, that I do not have a career in physics or chemistry or biology or medicine where I could work on "big problems." The simple truth is, I'm not smart enough, I don't work hard enough, and I've been napping when opportunity knocked a few times in my life. That being said, sometimes a man in a saloon has a few drinks and yells at the television, telling the coach of some footba…

  2. There are regulatory obstacles for businesses.
As someone in the biotech space, this is by far the biggest factor. When you are dealing with humans, crashes and bugs mean deaths. Deaths mean increased regulation, often under the mistaken assumption that more rules would prevent engineers from making bugs. Modern testing and build systems might, but regulators aren't keen to change their testing systems, many of which were encoded by legislation decades ago. For example, adaptive clinical trials have been known to be theoretically superior to the Phase I/II/III design for 15 years, yet are still in limbo[1] at the FDA; their proponents are still banned from trying them out. Facebook does not need a Federal Software Assocation to sign off on its new unit testing framework.

Moreover, it is just more stressful to deal with a regulatory climate where any error is assumed to have happened because you were an evil corner-cutting capitalist who didn't allocate enough for safety. This kind of Monday morning quarterbacking is unfortunately usually done by people who've never shipped a drug or device in their lives, like most politicians, journalists, or federal regulators. Twitter, unlike Genzyme[2], is not fined millions of dollars by the FDA when its site is down.

Finally, you have to guess what the law is. There is so much "discretion" [3,4] afforded to regulatory agencies that the threat of fines and seizures over bizarre interpretations of the law by a Carmen Ortiz-style ambitious regulator is never far from your mind. Example [5]:

  [Newsweek:] What exactly would constitute a “medical   
  claim?” Would pointing people to medical research papers 
  [qualify]?

  [FDA]: It depends. There are rules as to how one can do   
  that … Those rules are actually worked out pretty well, 
  and they just would need to make sure they’re staying 
  within the rules.

  [Newsweek:] Are those rules on the Web?

  [FDA]: I don’t know where the policy is. I would have to 
  get it for you. It’s an agencywide policy. I would have to 
  find it for you. And it won’t be that easy for people to 
  follow it…
Another example [6]:

  The agency has urged hospitals to allow vendors to guide 
  them on security of sophisticated devices. But the vendors 
  sometimes tell hospitals that they cannot update FDA-
  approved systems, leaving those systems open to potential 
  attacks. In fact, the agency encourages such updates.

  “A lot of people are very confused about FDA’s position on 
  this,” said John Murray Jr., a software compliance expert 
  at the agency.
And one more [7]:

  In United States v. Park, the Supreme Court held that a 
  responsible corporate official can be convicted of a 
  misdemeanor based on his or her position of responsibility 
  and authority to prevent and correct violations of the 
  Food Drug and Cosmetic Act (FDCA). Thus, evidence that an 
  individual participated in the alleged violations or even 
  had knowledge of them is not necessary.  
Think about that: criminal penalties for violations of laws that "won't be that easy for people to follow", where knowledge or participation in the alleged violations is not necessary. And the law is not static. The FDA also can and does write "guidances" outside of the legislative process which will make your business model illegal overnight or vastly more expensive due to unanticipated regulatory costs. Google does not need to guess what the DNS protocol is or will be in 2013.

For just a taste of how all this plays out, look at the FDA's ongoing attempt to regulate[8] mobile health apps. Who knows what the rules will be, what they will cost, or what the fines are? Look at the FDA's attempt to deny[5] people access to their genome without a prescription. Look at the fact that they issued a record 10000+ 483s in 2011[9], which threaten a business with civil or criminal penalties. Look at the fact that they used these 483s to shut down Teva and Sandoz and Hospira and Bedford at the same time[10], causing a massive shortage of injectables which they blamed on industry profit seeking and used to gain[11] yet more regulation, more power, more budget.

Look, finally, how they claim in an official court filing against family farms producing raw milk that you have "No Generalized Right to Bodily and Physical Health" [12], where they approvingly cite the case of Cowan vs. US, where a terminal cancer patient was denied access to experimental medication, denied the right to opt-out of the FDA:

  There is No Generalized Right to Bodily and Physical   
  Health.

  Plaintiffs’ assertion of a “fundamental right to their own 
  bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they 
  do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their 
  families” is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do 
  not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish. 
  In addition, courts have consistently refused to 
  extrapolate a generalized right to “bodily and physical 
  health” from the Supreme Court’s narrow substantive due 
  process precedents regarding abortion, intimate relations, 
  and the refusal of lifesaving medical treatment. 

  See Glucksberg, 521 U.S. at 721 (warning that the fact 
  “[t]hat many of the rights and liberties protected by the 
  Due Process Clause sound in personal autonomy does not 
  warrant the sweeping conclusion that any and all 
  important, intimate, and personal decisions are so 
  protected”); see also Cowan v. United States, 5 F. Supp. 
  2d 1235, 1242 (N.D. Okla. 1998) (rejecting a claim that 
  the plaintiff had the fundamental “right to take whatever 
  treatment he wishes due to his terminal condition 
  regardless of whether the FDA approves the treatment”).
I know it sounds surreal, but they are arguing here that you only control your own body with respect to abortion, intimate relations, and euthanasia. Everything else is controlled by the FDA, yea even unto your death from cancer.

The only solution here is for hackers to carve out a jurisdiction in which the FDA has no say, where patients are free to be early adopters and startups are free to push the technological envelope. Patients in this zone will need to be mature and understand that these are version 1.0s, and may not help or even actually harm them. But every drug or device or surgery needs someone to be first, and a few brave risk takers could both benefit their own health and push humanity forward. After all, we have thousands of people dying for futile risks in various foreign wars.

So, the limiting reagent is not money, or expertise, or motivation, or smarts. raganwald, you and most of HN are plenty smart enough. It's about the freedom for companies to innovate, for patients to take risks. We need a jurisdiction (a seastead? Singapore? Estonia?) that enables us to push the technological frontier. Everything else will fall into place once we can't be punished for innovating.

[1] http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/104/18/1347.extract#

[2] http://www.fiercepharma.com/story/genzyme-submits-175m-fine-...

[3] http://www.ivdtechnology.com/article/letters-labcorp-show-fd...

[4] http://www.fdalawblog.net/fda_law_blog_hyman_phelps/2011/03/...

[5] http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/the-human-condit...

[6] http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-12-25/news/36015727_...

[7] http://www.gatewayfda.com/fda-regulations/under-park-doctrin...

[8] http://m.spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/devices/the-fda-takes-...

[9] http://blog.fdazilla.com/2011/11/fda-issues-483-every-50-min...

[10] http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/06/15/how-margaret-ham...

[11] http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugShortages/ucm050796....

[12] http://www.organicpastures.com/pdfs/FDA%20dismissal%20docume...

Re: Why the Fuck?

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Why do we play videogames? Why do we create art? Why do we eat tasty unhealthy foods? Why do we go on hikes or climb rocks? Why do we write posts complaining about other people not saving the world? We do things we enjoy, things we're passionate or curious about, things we care about or have no choice but to do them. Glamour is a factor. Money too. Perhaps if I had diabetes, or someone very close to me was suffering…

But this just states what this generation lacks the most... Empathy.

I couldn't care less if Facebook didn't exist because humanity focused it's work into solving real problems. But some people just don't care. As long as they are living their good life... who cares about diabetes?

The biggest problem IMHO is our generation's goals. Money, money and more money. If the world provided better ways for us to help each other instead of distracting us, while they suck work and money out of us, until we die. Imagine how different everything could be...

Re: Why the Fuck?

#193
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My fellow HNers: It does depress me, daily, that I do not have a career in physics or chemistry or biology or medicine where I could work on "big problems." The simple truth is, I'm not smart enough, I don't work hard enough, and I've been napping when opportunity knocked a few times in my life. That being said, sometimes a man in a saloon has a few drinks and yells at the television, telling the coach of some footba…

If it's of any consolation, it depresses me daily that I have a future career in medicine but don't have a strong skill set (be it programming, statistics, biomedical engineering) to work on any meaningful problems. There's really not a day that goes by where I don't regret not majoring in one of those areas, or being more interested in them at a younger age. I'm just a guy who can design an okay-looking site. I'll b…

Between this lamentation and Raganwald's lamentation, me thinks two should at least get together to solve diabetes or some other problem where your domain expertise and his software development expertise can be combined. I've seen your design skills and they are solid. I was actually surprised when you said you are headed for a career in medicine. Never would have expected that.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#194
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diabetes has a variety of causes. Concentrating on just one cause - too much sugar in the diet - how much money is spent by producers of sugar on, for example, advertising each year? How much is paid by those producers of sugar in tax, and how much of that tax is used for research? I agree with your general point though.

Type II diabetes is almost entirely the result of obesity. Put on 10 pounds and your fasting blood glucose will skyrocket. Sure, there are genetic factors that predispose a person to insulin resistance, but the dominant factor is adipose tissue. Type I (juvenile/auto-immune) is more interesting. Sugar production in the US is heavily subsidized.

Type II diabetes is almost entirely the result of obesity. Put on 10 pounds and your fasting blood glucose will skyrocket. Sure, there are genetic factors that predispose a person to insulin resistance, but the dominant factor is adipose tissue.

Thankfully, the inverse is largely true as well. Develop diabetes, and if you lose enough weight, you can often avoid the need for meds altogether. I was just diagnosed as a type II diabetic about 3 months ago... they originally had me on injectable insulin and Metformin, but as I've lost weight (17 lbs in ~ 3 months) and switched to a low carb diet, I've been able to stop taking insulin and still see my blood glucose numbers move closer and closer to stabilizing in the normal range.

I'm hoping (and my doctor seems confident) that if I lose more weight and stay active (and eat right) that I'll be able to drop the Metformin eventually.

One thing this experience has taught me though, has been a much greater appreciate for the evils of simple sugars and high glycemic index carbs. I now look at a bottle of (non diet) soda and the idea of drinking that shit just makes me sick.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#195
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post makes a third incorrect assumption too. That the "greatest minds of our generation" work at Google, Facebook and Apple.

I could be mistaken, but I think that line is a reference to an interview with Jeff Hammerbacher: Hammerbacher looked around Silicon Valley at companies like his own, Google (GOOG), and Twitter, and saw his peers wasting their talents. "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads," he says. "That sucks." http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_17/b42250609... Which, I hope…

It strikes me as a self-contradictory statement. If these minds are so great, why are they working on such mundane things? There's more to this equation than raw intelligence. Being one of the "best minds" also requires experience, drive, and the wisdom to apply one's talents usefully.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#196

I hate to sound rude, I mean well. But why the fuck is Raganwald whining about start-ups that aren't solving real problems instead of solving the problems himself? That's what really irks me about today's society. People bitch and whine about things, wanting people to change the world and yet don't do a single things themselves to make it happen. I hate the mentality that it's up to everyone else to solve serious pro…

He is just starting conversation it seems. I agree that we should do more about things that matter and in that, most posts to this are right.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#197
post #81

Oh goodie, another arrogant whine by raganwald where he can't understand why the greatest minds (implying people writing code are somehow the greatest minds) aren't doing what he thinks is important. This post makes two incorrect assumptions. First, that the things he derides (Google automating targeted content, Facebook introducing new search features that are tangential to their current features, Apple changing for…

I would hope it's uncontroversial that saving people's lives, health and sanity is categorically more important than making money or trivial social interaction.

Thus making another assumption that social interactions on Facebook, Twitter, etc. are 'trivial'.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#198

Funnily enough, this is exactly why I gave up on software development and went to study a degree in the biosciences. Ten years of fixing crappy websites, writing dull database interfaces, troubleshooting bugs in shit code written by people who didn't give a damn -- and for what purpose? The paycheck was good but money is not everything. It felt like such a colossal waste of life. My mind is my best asset - I want to…

Wish I could have the choice of a career on any kind of research where I live, 3rd world countries just don't have that luxury. Good for you that you made that move... Wish you best of luck!

Re: Why the Fuck?

#199
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the most laughable assumption of all.

It also assumes those terrible choices aren't stepping stones, enabling these great minds to undertake the meaningful work Raganwald demands, once they have acquired more capabilities and capital.

Stepping stones akin to Elon Musk and Paypal. He's now commercializing the electric car (Tesla Motors), running a solar company (SolarCity) and the most grandiose, SpaceX.

Re: Why the Fuck?

#200
post #21

Because research pays terribly and not everyone has the luxury of martyrdom. Want to be a grad student? 80-90% pay cut. (Unless you go to Switzerland and then it's closer to 70%). Want to be a university research programmer? 70% pay cut. Removing economic considerations, would I rather be researching auto-immune disease? Sure. But 'doing good' means compromises like buying a house at 45 instead of 35. No one asks doc…

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