I do not know what technology 6G will be fought with, but 7G will be fought with sticks and stones.
Will there be a 7G?
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Re: Will there be a 7G?
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
sure but is anyone deploying mmwave outside of maybe sports stadiums? I'm not exactly going to get it on my commuter train or at work.
I get 5G mmWave in my home and around my neighborhood in Seattle. In fact sometimes at home I’ll turn off WiFi on my phone just because I’m sitting in a WiFi dead zone but the mmWave still works great. This is on Mint Mobile, a budget MVNO now owned by T-Mobile. I pay $20/month for 15GB data.
In Seattle, I have not seen any instances of mm. It is probably very localized.
Re: Will there be a 7G?
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data would have been unlimited at the company's own locations of course. And it would have worked similarly to managed WiFi. Lots of companies outsource their WiFi and network. Many don't want to have that knowledge in house. Basically the provider would play the role of network outsourcing party inside the office and the outdoor connectivity would be more of a value-add. The benefit would have been much higher speed…
The problem is control of the network. If you don't control your network, then you don't know if network provider will go from "unlimited data" to "I am changing the deal now it is 1USD/GB" and you can either take it or be without connection which would likely collapse your operations. So the only logical step is to use network which you have full control over, like WiFi. The much higher speed also does not hold toge…
I don't agree. Enterprise contracts don't work that way, they don't give one party the ability to suddenly change terms. With consumer contracts yes but not for big business.
And like I said there's many companies that outsource their whole network. This isn't all that different. Not every company wants to deal with all that stuff. At work we do but we're an IT company.
They can renegotiate upon completion of the contract term yes. But during this term, usually 2 or 3 years, the terms are set. And the office will get a fiber uplink anyway. The access points will be hanging in the office but connected to fiber. Probably provisioned by the same provider that we have now for our WiFi uplink.
And it's easy enough to replace the provider with another one if they become too greedy. We'll do an RFP every 3 years anyway to get the best price every time. We recently changed WiFi access point manufacturer too for that reason.
And yes right now WiFi is sufficient for laptops but it might not always be this way. And don't forget the spectrum in office buildings is pretty crowded. And it's not the only benefit.
It may not be for everyone but I'd see this working out pretty well, really. Once there's another push from the industry and chicken and egg come together.
In fact I could even see this working out for consumers when endpoint devices with 5/6G become mainstream. Most customers right now just use the WiFi from the provider, they don't bother to change the password or the channel. Most people wouldn't even know that there's different WiFi channels. I could see a world where instead of a WiFi password they just get eSIM codes to scan.
For people like you and me this would probably be bad but on the other hand it would free up WiFi spectrum for us to use :)
Right now from my flat I see literally 100+ access points around me all hogging those few limited WiFi channels (big dense city). Compared to that the providers have a lot more bandwidth.
Re: Will there be a 7G?
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is a very effective use case, but until we live in hive cities, stadium-level device densities are an edge case. Developing a new generation to service the 0.01% of time phones spend inside stadiums seems inefficient.
If you have a season ticket to a Premier League team you're going to be in that density once a week or once a fortnight. Whatever the percentage of time that might be, that seems frequent enough to not be an edge case.
Lol. Season ticket holders are maybe 0.001% of phone users. Even if they are all whales, it isn't a sufficient market.
Re: Will there be a 7G?
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have a season ticket to a Premier League team you're going to be in that density once a week or once a fortnight. Whatever the percentage of time that might be, that seems frequent enough to not be an edge case.
Lol. Season ticket holders are maybe 0.001% of phone users. Even if they are all whales, it isn't a sufficient market.
How much do you think they cost?
Re: Will there be a 7G?
#196There will always be a faster technology, regardless of what it's called.
Citation needed.
Re: Will there be a 7G?
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
This doesnt seem to match reality? e.g. Notably several major carriers in India skipped 3G entirely and went to 4G directly because it was cheaper per subscriber. Which implies less expensive equipment per unit performance?
3G to 4G was a giant leap forward and it makes perfect sense. Your parent is specifically comparing 4G against 5G.
Are you confused? The parent claimed 4G was very expensive infrastructure.
Whereas reality showed 4G was so cheap that major telecoms decided to skip over 3G entirely.
Re: Will there be a 7G?
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
3G to 4G was a giant leap forward and it makes perfect sense. Your parent is specifically comparing 4G against 5G.
Are you confused? The parent claimed 4G was very expensive infrastructure. Whereas reality showed 4G was so cheap that major telecoms decided to skip over 3G entirely.
The way I remember it in the US was in the 3G age you had good cell service in cities like Rochester, NY which have moderate populations and gentle hills but it was spotty in dense cities with crazy geography and/or urban canyons. [1] Like I used to stay at a motel two blocks from Hollywood and Vine and my phone barely worked. Once 4G was rolled out, coverage got good in Nielsen "A" markets.
[1] ... and there was that summer my son and I tried to visit as many state parks in upstate NY as we could and I had phones on both the AT&T and Verizon networks that had terrible coverage away from certain big roads.
Re: Will there be a 7G?
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't just look at the indicator on your phone though. Providers are free to scheme with those. Some honestly show the icon when you are on 5G. Others use the option of showing it when you are on 4G (not even 5G NSA) but the network offers 5G on the cell. The marketing guys got involved with this indicator and completely ruined its trustworthiness.
Isn't the icon decided by the operating system?
No for 4G/5G the line gets a bit blurry there unfortunately.