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Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Because the most vocal people are always a minority and I can use my own good judgement. I am also not in any "bubble" group and I am one of those people that are very suspicious of cliques. I spent as much time talking to people that are neutral, positive and negative on AI. Most of the AI haters IME of interacting with them irrational and are full of very poor arguments for their position. Almost all of it is emoti…

I think you might be misunderstanding what I mean by the word "bubble". It's quite literally impossible to talk to a representative sample of people the size of the internet, so judging purely by people you've interacted with is to me by definition a bubble. The fact that you claim to have sought out conversations with a variety of viewpoints but someone are of the opinion that the people online can't possibly repres…

You seem to be under the impression that I’m only talking to a small group of people. I’m talking about conversing on forums and Discord, reading different news articles, watching different media, and hearing it discussed by people who are both IT/software professionals and people who work in other fields. I am deliberately avoiding taking my information from a clique or a bubble, as I’ve already explained.

Moreover, I personally find this sort of discussion point / tactic to be very frustrating. It essentially stops any form of discussion, doesn't provide me or anyone else new information and doesn't really point anything out that is incorrect with my rationale than it isn't statistically sound when I wasn't pretending it was. I've factored that into my thought process and I am open to changing my mind.

My rationale is relatively simple:

- It is known that the most vocal/extreme people (on any side of any issues) are a minority, there is nothing controversial with this statement.

- It is also known that there is a technological adoption curve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cycle) which is basically a bell curve. This model is well known and I don't think there is much that is controversial with the basic premise of it.

- When anything that is pushed too much and AI has been hyped massively, there will be a reaction and people will push back.

I can then use this knowledge and then apply it to what I am seeing online and IRL and then form my opinion, which I have already stated.

Now I understand that some people can get drawn into cliques and "bubbles" where they only see information that confirms their own confirmation bias. That is why I bothered listening to people that hold opposite opinions to my own.

I've found many of the arguments to simply be poor including people that many people laud like Ed Zitron (you may have seen there was a blog post by Danluu saying he has been consistently wrong that was on this site a few days ago). I also think that they are essentially in their own bubble.

So this idea that I (or anyone else) cannot be cautiously skeptical and attempt a level headed assessment of sentiment based on what I am seeing online and IRL because it isn't rigorously statistically sound is a nonsense and just derails any discussions into where I having to defend what is a relatively normal (albeit informal) decision making process.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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>verbal violence Clearly there's hyperbole on both sides

What does verbal violence mean non-hyperbolically to you? >Verbal abuse (also known as [...] verbal violence [...]) is a type of psychological abuse that involves the use of oral or written language directed to a victim. Verbal abuse can include the act of harassing, labeling, insulting, scolding, rebuking, or excessive yelling towards an individual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse

> Verbal abuse can include the act [...] rebuking

I'm sorry for this verbal abuse you'll now receive, as I'm disagreeing with you, but it's really hard to see "rebuking" as verbal abuse, I think that page might need a pass or two to make it a bit more objective.

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