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Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

bewareofscams wrote: post #148
coldtea wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I paid thousands of dollars to apple who provided a great hw product with their own OS preinstalled and free".

"... so that I can never switch to anything ever due to vendor lock-in, which includes hard-to-transfer data, muscle memory and habit forming not applicable to other OSes, accounts bound to iCloud, voluntary surrender of privacy, acceptance of planned obsolescence and non-repairability, lack of support beyond 'try turning it off-on' or 'replace your device for half its price', etc., etc. But hey, the hw is great!"

Switching isn’t nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Much of iCloud is built with well-supported standards like IMAP, CalDAV, and CardDAV. Getting out of Google’s or Microsoft’s ecosystem, with how much both of those love their proprietary protocols and data formats, I would say is overall more messy.

As far as muscle memory and habits go, that almost makes it sound like it’s objectively wrong to build a desktop OS that doesn’t follow Windows-esque conventions, which I staunchly disagree with. Desktops are insanely personal and I cannot support the idea that things like keybindings and window chrome should only ever come in one shape.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by RunSet »

kotaKat wrote: post #147

> If you think about it, m1n1 is almost like our own firmware for Apple Silicon. If you really think about it, it's kinda amusing how far we came from https://wiibrew.org/wiki/MINI being used to bootstrap homebrew on the Nintendo Wii on PPC to being used to fire up our Macs daily running Asahi on ARM.

Also a bit frustrating that wiimotes work on Windows, Linux and Intel Macs but not on Apple Silicon, apparently due to its half-baked bluetooth stack.

https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/issues/12662

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

prmoustache wrote: post #64
dmitrygr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"up to 9 hours for light web browsing or everyday tasks" that is 1/3 the battery life of a macbook in the same use case. seems completely incomparable

Who works 27h straight far away from a power or usb outlet?

It’s more about not having to drag a cable + brick around everywhere and not needing to care about the location of the nearest power outlet, potentially for multiple days depending on usage patterns. You can instead leave the charging bits at home or the hotel and charge overnight.

This also means that battery cycles accumulate more slowly and the battery’s lifetime is stretched further.

Also, generally more efficient chips don’t get hot as easily which makes the laptop more comfortable to use and prevents fans from becoming audible unless you’re really pushing the system.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by jjtheblunt »

JLO64 wrote: post #5

> Thanks to the combined efforts of mildsunrise and chaos_princess, we discovered that ACE3 has pretty much the same register set as CD3217, only wrapped in a SPMI interface instead of addressed over I2C. Both the SPMI interface and ACE3 itself are now working in Asahi Linux, bringing USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt support to all M3 series devices. When I got my M3 Pro MBP, I got it with the intention of eventually installi…

you overlooked the UTM.app (also buildable from open source) on the App Store, which allows installation from an ISO of arm-native linux builds, directly run via the Apple hypervisor.framework, _not_ using Qemu emulation.

it's fast as greased lightning and fantastic. I've used it two or so years on M1, M2, M2 Max, and M5 and it's what I think you too will love.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

izacus wrote: post #92
dmitrygr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"up to 9 hours for light web browsing or everyday tasks" that is 1/3 the battery life of a macbook in the same use case. seems completely incomparable

No MacBook runs for 27 hours even if it says so in spec sheet. My 16" doesn't come close to apple claims. (Did we really forget how inflated Apple battery claims really are?)

It can get pretty close if avoiding Chrome and Chromium wrappers, especially in airplane mode.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by hobo123 »

Mashimo wrote: post #50
dmitrygr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but at the rate that Intel and AMD have been catching up on power efficiency Have they? What AMD or Intel laptop with Linux on it can hold a candle to and M4 air or an M4max pro? Genuinely curious, cause I found none...

Framework 13 pro with new Intel chips claims to run 20h of 4k Netflix stream, or 17h of light web browsing @250 nits. That said these numbers are with windows.

Is it fanless, too? (or has the fan pretty much always off like a MBP)

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by hobo123 »

darkwater wrote: post #66
dmitrygr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"up to 9 hours for light web browsing or everyday tasks" that is 1/3 the battery life of a macbook in the same use case. seems completely incomparable

I have a M1 Pro from work and it surely won't last that while working. Throw some video calls at it and working outside (so, screen at the brightest level) and at the end of the work day I have to plug it in

With load on it and a bright room (= display reasonably bright as well) my M3 also doesn't always last 8h. But it gets very close. Intel machines are more like 3h in that case.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by 4fterd4rk »

bewareofscams wrote: post #148
coldtea wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I paid thousands of dollars to apple who provided a great hw product with their own OS preinstalled and free".

"... so that I can never switch to anything ever due to vendor lock-in, which includes hard-to-transfer data, muscle memory and habit forming not applicable to other OSes, accounts bound to iCloud, voluntary surrender of privacy, acceptance of planned obsolescence and non-repairability, lack of support beyond 'try turning it off-on' or 'replace your device for half its price', etc., etc. But hey, the hw is great!"

Mindblowing to me that people continue to try and pin "planned obsolescence" on Apple, the manufacturer that makes infamously long lived products. You anti-Apple zealots get your talking points from 1996 Usenet posts.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by giancarlostoro »

JLO64 wrote: post #5

> Thanks to the combined efforts of mildsunrise and chaos_princess, we discovered that ACE3 has pretty much the same register set as CD3217, only wrapped in a SPMI interface instead of addressed over I2C. Both the SPMI interface and ACE3 itself are now working in Asahi Linux, bringing USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt support to all M3 series devices. When I got my M3 Pro MBP, I got it with the intention of eventually installi…

The only reason is because M2 to M3 was a dramatic shift in how everything works, M1 and M2 were both compatible with one another, I'm not sure if after M3 its been stable, but I sure hope so, there's value in my opinion in being backwards compatible with older CPUs.
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