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On the contrary; it seems Luna (max) is 2x as capable at 1/5 the cost: https://cognition.com/frontiercode
I don’t trust this bench. I move between opus and ds v4 pro and find them both significantly better then Gemini 3.7
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Yes. I focus on pricing software and I’m a bit baffled why frontier models are pushing tokens. It’s a race to the bottom, and the bottom is unlimited use for a flat monthly rate. Granular pricing (tokens, minutes, etc) is pretty anti-customer generates less revenue than customer value-based subscriptions (why SaaS is such a good business model)
But presumably consumers aren’t where the majority of the spend will be. Consumers don’t generally get usage-based pricing because of the inconvenience and unpredictability, but B2B SaaS products utilize usage-based pricing all the time.
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Yes. I focus on pricing software and I’m a bit baffled why frontier models are pushing tokens. It’s a race to the bottom, and the bottom is unlimited use for a flat monthly rate. Granular pricing (tokens, minutes, etc) is pretty anti-customer generates less revenue than customer value-based subscriptions (why SaaS is such a good business model)
I've always been curious about who works on software pricing. Do you guys hire actuaries for this type of work?
More on my approach here: Https://forstarters.substack.com
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Yes. I focus on pricing software and I’m a bit baffled why frontier models are pushing tokens. It’s a race to the bottom, and the bottom is unlimited use for a flat monthly rate. Granular pricing (tokens, minutes, etc) is pretty anti-customer generates less revenue than customer value-based subscriptions (why SaaS is such a good business model)
Isn't it because they have customers who will use as many tokens as they can? With a flat rate, they will run Gas Town continuously while paying as much as the occasional user.
Any experience with it?
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My apologies to any mobile users, but for the desktop folk: Provider, Model Billing Input Output Cache read Cache write DeepSeek V4-Flash Old $0.1400 $0.2800 $0.0028 - V4-Flash New Off-Peak $0.2200 (1.6x) $0.6600 (2.4x) $0.0070 (2.5x) - V4-Flash New Peak $0.4400 (3.1x) $1.3200 (4.7x) $0.0140 (5.0x) - V4-Pro Old $0.4350 $0.8700 $0.0036 - V4-Pro New Off-Peak $0.6600 (1.5x) $1.9800 (2.3x) $0.0220 (6.1x) - V4-Pro New Pea…
Forgive my naivety... What are the units? $1.4000 for how many input tokens?
Ah well. I spend about $5/month with Deepseek, so now I’ll have to find room in my budget for $15. Might have to tip my barista less or something.
That's a hefty increase. Flash pricing during peak is now 1.32/M out, compared to the current 0.28/M, which in turn is a quite a bit above the cheapest provider at 0.16/M. https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid...
You don't mention the off-peak pricing which is half that. Most western workplaces will enjoy the cheaper prices.
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> EDIT: formatting Keep at it, I believe in you.
My apologies to any mobile users, but for the desktop folk: Provider, Model Billing Input Output Cache read Cache write DeepSeek V4-Flash Old $0.1400 $0.2800 $0.0028 - V4-Flash New Off-Peak $0.2200 (1.6x) $0.6600 (2.4x) $0.0070 (2.5x) - V4-Flash New Peak $0.4400 (3.1x) $1.3200 (4.7x) $0.0140 (5.0x) - V4-Pro Old $0.4350 $0.8700 $0.0036 - V4-Pro New Off-Peak $0.6600 (1.5x) $1.9800 (2.3x) $0.0220 (6.1x) - V4-Pro New Pea…
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Thank you for bringing that up, such a rarity for this place to remember the other 80% of the world. As someone from just such a country, DeepSeek 0731 was the first time I seriously started using an LLM for coding. All previous attempts were useless or ridiculously expensive. Can't say the old prices felt "free", but it was affordable if you're careful with your cache hit rate. The new pricing probably pushed it int…
you should be using opencode go - you get 6x the tokens for the same price. They also have free models. Kilocode and others also offer free models.
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Isn't it because they have customers who will use as many tokens as they can? With a flat rate, they will run Gas Town continuously while paying as much as the occasional user.
Yeah it feels like a very different model. I don’t try to fill up Apple/Google cloud drives to 1TB because then I’d have to clean up when I need space. I don’t bother trying to maximize my Audible subscription because there’s only so much I can listen to in a day. Even with my other AI subs that have monthly credits that don’t carry over, I just don’t have the interest or time to burn the credits. But my Claude Max s…