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Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by JAlexoid »

gnopgnip wrote: post #141
fhe wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if authors get an advance that's greater than the sale of their books, doesn't it mean that the publishers lose money, i.e. paid more for those books than the books sales?

Authors get around 10% of the cover price of a book as royalties, it depends on several factors. The rest goes to the publisher . So some do lose money, but the break even for the publisher is usually well before the advance is fully covered by royalties. Well the publisher also pays for the book to be bound, edited, overhead for their staff, cover art. Many books don't sell for the full retail price and are discount…

Long story short - publishing houses are venture capital firms.

Most of their investments fail miserably, but they only need one Google/Stephen King.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by penguin_booze »

driverdan wrote: post #70

Judge Alsup issued the original order that determined they were liable for piracy but that training LLMs on books was fair use. It's worth reading if you're interested in the topic. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69058235/231/bartz-v-an...

So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use?

It's funny that crimes can be settled in cash. IOW, everything has a price; and the price is always right. Settlement ought to be the euphemism for blood money.

In addition to the settlement, what I'd consider fair is to have these companies pay royalties in perpetuity. Of course, that's not tractable.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by JAlexoid »

ori_b wrote: post #142
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of it.

If you believe information deserves to be free, and if most of your earnings were from information that wasn't given away for free -- well, if you want people to give up their ill gotten gains, maybe you can start by setting an example. So, mind sending me your bank account information? I'll promise to make good use of it.

You seem to think that AI companies sell you content, which is false.

You get a service. The service is using their compute power to run a model and their scientists to build the model.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by nadermx »

beering wrote: post #101
ariwilson wrote: post #99

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Weird to hear a full throated defense of the RIAA here

A summary of what happened is not a full-throated defense of anyone.

How is that classifed as a summary? Cursory search, https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/riaa_at_four.pdf

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by JAlexoid »

nextaccountic wrote: post #82
Aurornis wrote: post #25

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They actually did this. > Anthropic spent many millions of dollars to purchase millions of print books, often in used condition. Then, its service providers stripped the books from their bindings, cut their pages to size, and scanned the books into digital form — discarding the paper originals. Each print book resulted in a PDF copy containing images of the scanned pages with machine-readable text (including front an…

> Then, its service providers stripped the books from their bindings, cut their pages to size, and scanned the books into digital form — discarding the paper originals. This is worse than pirating books to an absurd degree, it's almost a parody - the company that slurps all human knowledge ends up not only metaphorically, but also physically destroying those books, like an information vampire. Authors don't even rece…

It reads like you're in favor of banning resale and lending(aka libraries) of books... because the authors aren't compensated.

There's such a thing as fair use and digitizing privately owned printed material is absolutely legal... including for corporations.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by owenfi »

penguin_booze wrote: post #192
driverdan wrote: post #70

Judge Alsup issued the original order that determined they were liable for piracy but that training LLMs on books was fair use. It's worth reading if you're interested in the topic. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69058235/231/bartz-v-an...

So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use? It's funny that crimes can be settled in cash. IOW, everything has a price; and the price is always right. Settlement ought to be the euphemism for blood money. In addition to the settlement, what I'd consider fair is to have these companies pay royalties in perpetuity. Of course, that's not tractable.

Yeah, I feel like penalties here should be something like 10% of revenue in perpetuity. Then companies might think twice about asking forgiveness instead of permission.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by sashank_1509 »

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change
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