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Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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> Right off the bat water usage is negligible. But at a minimum if LLM usage saves a human 13% time at a task, we're at breakeven i.e. the LLM resource consumption is compensated by the savings in human consumption. Anything more than 13% and we actually start conserving resources on average! That ignores the fact that the then-unemployed human will not change it's resource consumption in any way, because a human cod…

If you had some goal to achieve -- whatever it was, professional or personal -- would you rather expend X resources to achieve it or (X - Y), where Y was a significant % of X? And if those resources had an environmental impact, and if you were truly concerned about the environment, why would you want to choose the option that expends more of those resources? Think of it this way: if you had a doubt you wanted to reso…

Yes of course, the capitalist way of thinking forces lower resource consumption, as long as those resources are measured in monetary expenses.

But when thinking about society and the environment, there are different considerations that make the simplistic capitalist thinking wrong in certain situations. Human labor is such a resource that cannot be strictly evaluated by monetary values.

For example (caveat: slight intentional alteration): > would you drive to the library and spend hours or days scanning through reference material... or would you do a [prompt and have AI provide you with a summary]?

Of course on the first glance, as a lazy person myself, the choice is obvious. But is it really? Doing the research yourself has secondary benefits, such as higher familiarity with and learning of the topic. Even as a boss who pays money for people who do that, I'll sometimes gladly pay money so they'll learn and become better employees.

> That is essentially what the "environmental impact" debate comes down to, but nobody is talking about it that way.

Because the environmental impact of human labor behaves differently than the environmental impact of other resources.

If you consume less steel the environmental benefit is clear. Less consumption means less extraction, less processing, less waste and pollution, etc. There is also a direct feedback loop through our capitalist system to induce this. Nobody will mine iron ore that won't be paid for, processed, sold as steel. In that sense, steel is a flexible resource, because there is a direct relation between demand, supply and environmental impact.

If you consume less human labor, things are not so clear and easy. There is a base rate of the "production" of humans, that is relatively independent from the flow of money (actually, it might even be an inverse relation: the less money you have, the more you procreate). The production of human labor is also a slow process, since it takes around 2 decades for a human to grow up. So the resource "human labor" is basically an always-there-resource at some amount that won't be influenced by market forces. The environmental impact of that amount of humans won't be influenced by market forces. So for the environment, it is actually better to give those humans something to do, and use human labor as an always-there-resource, instead of using flexible resources. Same thing for society, humans with nothing to do are generally considered a problem, so you need to give them something to do.

So in a strictly capitalist sense, you are right. But when talking about the environment and society, human labor is a special resource that cannot be treated like other resources.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Cluster B society tantrums

Demeaning people who are trying to improve the world is pathetic.

That's just it, I do not believe they are trying to improve the world.

I believe they are just acting out, and doing so and yet another non-constructive way.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Oh FFS no it isn't chinese propaganda or whatever, people are just fed up with slop

Attacking random datacentres is not going to even fractionally help with the issue of low quality AI use.

No, but people aren't that smart. They're angry and need a sacrifice

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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It’s regulated in the US too. You need well and consumption permits before using tons of water. Water usage is approved

Just like xAI was regulated to not run more than 15 gas turbines? US lets companies get away with breaking things and punishes wrongdoing at most with a fine that's less than the money that was made by breaking the rules, so US regulations sort of don't matter. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/15/elon-musk... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(data_center)

Yeah that does really suck. Are the fines just a cost of doing business fine? :(
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