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Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Won’t somebody please think of the poor SpaceX shareholders? (Not that the article was framed that way.)

Huh? Having an interest in something is not the same as seeking sympathy. lol what a complainer you are

Huh? Did you even read the article? Nothing but complaining about price hikes from luxury private jet people.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#192

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Huh? Having an interest in something is not the same as seeking sympathy. lol what a complainer you are

Huh? Did you even read the article? Nothing but complaining about price hikes from luxury private jet people.

Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#193

I am traveling in Europe currently and got a Saily SIM card - 5g coverage is really good and seems to be expanding fast - a small village I visited 2 years ago that had no cell coverage at all I was getting 250mbps download, faster than than the wired internet at most of the places I was visiting. This prompted me to actually look into Starlink speeds and apparently 5g is generally faster than Starlink... This made m…

Theoretical max speed of 4G/5G are like 5Gbps down/1Gbps up, without going into mmWave. Actual link speeds of Starlink terminals don't seem to be published in the open, but it's at least throttled to up to 310Mbps down/44Mbps up for Priority plans. Looks like it's supposed to reach 1Gbps down with V3 sats, but then again, cellular is like up to 5Gbps yesterday, at least in the spec. It's just that Starlink being a ne…

> Actual link speeds of Starlink terminals don't seem to be published in the open, but it's at least throttled to up to 310Mbps down/44Mbps up for Priority plans.

I had it last year in the Canary Islands (where I assume subscription is way below max capacity - no priority plan) before my current provider placed fiber, and I was getting up to 430Mbps down/100Mbps up with a consistent no-bufferbloat ~70ms ping, which is really not bad.

I guess in populated areas it can only reduce in speed as subscriptions increase, but in sparsely populated ones where fiber is not an option and 5G is crappy and priced similarly to Starlink, it's a valid alternative with no contenders for now. Not to mention that the ISP infrastructure it relies on does not depend on ground infrastructure, so if you're off-grid, you also don't depend on cabling/5G towers/etc for internet access.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#194
Not a great move for SpaceX IMO. Things that get installed on airplanes are very expensive and people expect them to last 10+ years. If the equipment can only be used with a single service provider, and they have a track record of just doubling the price because they think they can get away with it, people are going to look for alternatives.

Starlink is clearly the best right now but there are competitors. In particular, these competitors may not have the capacity to service millions of households at $100/mo, but they definitely do for private planes at $10k/mo, especially when the service is only being used for maybe 40hr/mo.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#195

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Huh? Having an interest in something is not the same as seeking sympathy. lol what a complainer you are

Huh? Did you even read the article? Nothing but complaining about price hikes from luxury private jet people.

Again: I reckon this article is posted here not to alert people to the news about their jet Internet price hike, but as a signal into the health of a product/company that are of significant interest across the community.

It seems the words aren't making their way to your brain, so you're on your own to figure it out from here.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#196

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Starlink should probably reverse course on this however, it's one thing to pay 10k for up to 20 guests on a small private jet vs a company like Delta with a fleet of 747s. Charge Delta 20k, charge this guy 10k.

Also, not everyone in "aviation" is either an airliner or a 20 seat private jet. Joe Piston flying his two seater Cessna that cost him about as much as a new Toyota is not ever going to be paying Starlink's aviation price. They really need more price tiers and scale them by a better price differentiator: max gross weight or number of seats.

As a Joe Piston, the starlink pricing constant-whipsaw has been really annoying.

I love the tech. It's truly game-changing. And there is no competitor right now.

I bought my mini dish for $400 or so. I've paid $250/mo, $65/mo, $250/mo again, now $200/mo, and on standby for $5/mo and now $10/mo. Don't get me started on the speed-limit and bandwidth-metering games they've played along the way.

I literally have no idea from month to month what the thing will cost. It's still awesome. But there are thousands of butthurt pilots who bought the dish at 65/mo (and many made 100W PD power upgrades, self included, for another few hundred) and got raised to 250/mo immediately.

It's not so much the cost anymore as the principle of a completely unhinged vendor. Bezos' version will have a bunch of ready buyers if he can stick to a price for longer than a Ketamine high.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#197

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Not unless you had a potential $1500 fee top of mind before you moved... Wanna guess if Starlink is advertising how insane these fees have gotten?

Let me guess... if you put the address into their handy text box, they tell you exactly what the demand surcharge is going to be for that location? I tried it, and would you look at that, I was right. I guess if you buy an entire house without checking to see what it costs to get internet service at that location, then you might be in a tough spot. Hard to blame it on anyone else though.

You're exactly right, you can know you're getting fucked in the ass by Elon before you get fucked in the ass by Elon.

I don't go that way, but you do you.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#198

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I go to their home page, click "get started," and it asks me where I want service. If I put in a place with a congestion surcharge, then it shows me on the next page. In fact, you have to pay it up front to order service. Seems advertised to me. If you don't want to pay it, then you don't have to use their service.

> congestion surcharge I can't wait until our urban cable-modem and DSL providers pick up those "congestion surcharge" ideas! (FCC tariffs prevent this, right?)

They've generally chosen to go with bandwidth caps and throttling instead. Different ways of managing the shared resource.

I'm not really sure what people want here. Capacity is limited. They're adding more as fast as they can, to the point that they've launched more satellites than everyone else has combined in history. But it takes time. Until capacity meets demand, there are going to be limitations, one way or another. At least they are actively adding capacity, unlike some ISPs I've had with old infrastructure that couldn't handle modern demands and just left it that way.

I'm sure people would be complaining just the same if they had no surcharge but throttled everybody, or imposed strict data limits, or stopped accepting new customers entirely in congested areas.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Blue Origin's Terawave [1] can't come soon enough. [1] https://www.blueorigin.com/terawave

What we need is a public service constellation, not more billonaire ones.

You could say that about electricity, water supply, healthcare, AI, etc. These should all be public services, not run by for-profit corporations. But we decided against that approach long ago.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

#200

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Let me guess... if you put the address into their handy text box, they tell you exactly what the demand surcharge is going to be for that location? I tried it, and would you look at that, I was right. I guess if you buy an entire house without checking to see what it costs to get internet service at that location, then you might be in a tough spot. Hard to blame it on anyone else though.

You're exactly right, you can know you're getting fucked in the ass by Elon before you get fucked in the ass by Elon. I don't go that way, but you do you.

I have good fiber, no need for Starlink. If I did, I might complain about the surcharge, but it would be hard to argue they tried to hide it.
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