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Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by mmooss »

cwmoore wrote: post #147
imoverclocked wrote: post #112

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That only makes my question even more applicable... just with a wider scope. As for your question: I personally don't want data, I want a service backed by sound data and expert validation+analysis.

Sounds grand, but it is not in scope. Instead, each citizen has a volition and a voice and a vote—with exceptions, and at personal expense. And as a humanitarian with reservations, I say tax the bots for UBI.

> each citizen has a volition and a voice and a vote

Each citizen can't evaluate climate data. Specialization is necessary.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by pvaldes »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #163
abetusk wrote: post #136

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Anything the US government publishes directly is in the public domain, including the contents of climate.gov, when it was online. One of the reasons the migration could happen without legal repercussions is precisely because the information was public domain. From the article: > This is possible because US government data is public domain by law. From the FAQ on the new climate.us [0]: > Can I re-use this data/produc…

> Any content dated prior to June 30, 2025 and credited to NOAA Climate.gov is in the public domain [and] can be freely re-used with proper attribution. What a bizarre thing to say. It's in the public domain. Why would you need attribution?

> Why would you need attribution?

Many Bothans died, or even worse were fired, to bring us this information

A little appreciation to the people that were prosecuted just for being scientists, vomiting at the sea all day long, would be a nice detail.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by budsniffer952 »

mmooss wrote: post #191
cwmoore wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds grand, but it is not in scope. Instead, each citizen has a volition and a voice and a vote—with exceptions, and at personal expense. And as a humanitarian with reservations, I say tax the bots for UBI.

> each citizen has a volition and a voice and a vote Each citizen can't evaluate climate data. Specialization is necessary.

Each citizen doesn't need to, only some citizens need be able to. Because the data is available.

Not sure about you, but I'm glad we moved away from a system where an anointed cadre of people tell us what's what.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by budsniffer952 »

Gigachad wrote: post #119
Self-Perfection wrote: post #99

What if government websites were distributed & archived as a default, from the beginning? Think IPFS as a first target for publication, "normal web" only as a mirror. Is it feasible? Should we push for this default? First obvious objection is that lots of government services need backend and dynamic content, but let's say this requirement only goes for static content.

What if pedophiles were sent to jail instead of elected. Technical tricks like IPFS can’t prevent even 1% of the damage caused by giving criminals this much power over society.

Remember when the "crazy far right" went on and on about pedophile conspiracies and the left laughed at them? Good times.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by Varelion »

AmazingEveryDay wrote: post #182
tomhow wrote: post #145

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Please don't post like this on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[flagged]

YCombinator did invest in flock...

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by Peaches4Rent »

budsniffer952 wrote: post #193
mmooss wrote: post #191

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> each citizen has a volition and a voice and a vote Each citizen can't evaluate climate data. Specialization is necessary.

Each citizen doesn't need to, only some citizens need be able to. Because the data is available. Not sure about you, but I'm glad we moved away from a system where an anointed cadre of people tell us what's what.

No one will believe said citizen with expertise because they don't a have a degree. Every billionaire backed media circus will ridicule said citizen.

Example: Gary Stevenson is an inequality expert with a masters in economics but people keep demanding where are the PhD grads with his opinion, which there are, but it's a statement to distract and discredit

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by krapp »

budsniffer952 wrote: post #194
Gigachad wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if pedophiles were sent to jail instead of elected. Technical tricks like IPFS can’t prevent even 1% of the damage caused by giving criminals this much power over society.

Remember when the "crazy far right" went on and on about pedophile conspiracies and the left laughed at them? Good times.

No.

I do remember when they went on and on about how the Democrats and Jews were all Satanic pedophiles and then they elected the King of all pedophiles to stop it. And then they objectively interfered with good faith efforts to police sex abuse for years with false flags and conspiracy nonsense like trying to find a secret entrance to Hillary Clinton's child sex slave dungeon under a pizzeria with a shotgun, and declaring all transgender people "groomers."

A broken clock may be right twice a day, but when it is, it doesn't deserve credit for being a good clock.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by mlrtime »

Loughla wrote: post #111
estearum wrote: post #106

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Data be damned then! Good point.

I bet you'll find that more people don't approve of what their representative is doing than do approve. Low voter turnout allows for bullshit to slip through the cracks by targeting very small blocs of voters. I genuinely believe that most problems in government would be fixed if voluntary voter turnout was around 99%, and that low rates, especially during midterms, is the largest threat to democracy in the United St…

I bet you most voter (not all population) couldn't name their representitive or district if their life depended on it.

So if you poll these people it will just be a proxy question of "Do you approve of your government".

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by pvaldes »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #172

A similar thing happened back in Australia years back. We had the Climate Commission, which did alot of great work. It was a government department and fully funded by the government. Then a conservative, climate denying government came to power and shut it down. Literally within 48 hours, they obtained alternative funding from private sources, then rebirthed the organization as the independent Climate Council. Many o…

This is still privatizing a service so the government does not need to pay for it.

Is the oldest trick in science. Do it for free. We are looking for: "enthusiastic", "volunteer","vocational", "young", "exploitable". We'll pay cancer research with this nice charity event...

Every single scientist has heard this crap thousands of times, and the independent climate council should bill those conservative politicians for their job. Each time they need something for them. If not they will never learn to not mess with science.

Re: Former NOAA employees built Climate.us to preserve climate data and resources

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Post by monodeldiablo »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #29
bumby wrote: post #23

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As a counter example, the government manages and collects all kinds of weather station data. But the trend is for private companies to get contracts to privatize the dissemination of that data through fee-based APIs etc. I would rather the government provide it instead of taxpayers having to pay twice to enrich some rent seeker.

Operating an API isn’t free either and the needs and scale change dramatically for customer. So you would rather the public pay for Google to use weather data on a massive scale?

I work in this space. The load on private APIs -- and the management costs in general of reselling government data -- are utterly dwarfed by the upstream costs borne by the government.

The public __already__ pays for Google, The Weather Company, Apple, and really __everybody__ -- down to your local weather person and surf report -- to use weather data on a massive scale.

Government weather data underpins huge chunks of our modern, globalized economy. It should absolutely be better funded and even allowed to directly distribute data to the public and industry. NOAA and NASA et al could be given 10x their current allocation of tax money and you and I would still be getting a great deal.

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