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GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by gck1 »

manojlds wrote: post #106
elAhmo wrote: post #99

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

Because they want a Haiku, Sonnet, Opus equivalent I guess?

And the names they came up with mirror the names OAI models come up with when I try to have them suggest codenames for projects. Just lacking any sort of imagination or coherence.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by cyanydeez »

benterix wrote: post #189
cyanydeez wrote: post #184

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not just that, but the entire industry spend several years seeking investment on the "pure" idea that they just need more compute and more parameters to reach AGI. And the "business" obvious is still doing that but the science and implementation has be realizing that this just isn't true. They're not getting AGI out of a single LLM by itself.

They clearly know it but have to pretend otherwise to keep the money flowing.

right, but the business arm will always be dominant. I see what Chinese models are doing as the same as japanese car models in the 80s: producing smaller, more efficient products that address the realities of the "total addressable market" that no business model would support. They're, unfortunately, providing public value where the US and Europe used to tread.

There's a lot to make efficient, but it should be clear to everyone that just throwing compute at larger models isn't going to magically make it rain.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by dools »

bottlepalm wrote: post #52

Coding with AI it feels like if you're not using the best model then you're possibly missing out - creating less capable, maintainable, just plain 'good' code. Why waste time using anything less than the best and cleaning up the mess later on. This is why I feel like local models and Chinese models aren't taking off (and Gemini/Grok) - they work, but they're plain just not as good as OpenAI/Anthropic. If you have the…

I’ve been using mostly deepseek v4, kimi k2.6, and gpt 5.3-codex

I sometimes chuck a few tokens to gpt 5.5 and opus 4.8 and they can sometimes solve a problem one of the other models couldn’t, but they’re not like 10x better or anything in my experience. More like 1.2x better

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by dools »

zarzavat wrote: post #77
bottlepalm wrote: post #66

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Better code hands down. Actually GPT 5.5 is a good example of a model that's generally better at solving problems than Opus 4.8, but the code it generates is worse - over engineered, shortcuts, etc.. Fable does both, better code and solves problems, but it's also very expensive. Currently I use Opus mostly, Codex for code reviews because it is pedantic, and Fable for tough problems and high level design.

The way I'd describe it, Fable is the first model that's good enough. If all I had was Fable for the next couple of years then I'd be totally fine with that. I have never felt that about any version of Opus.

That’s the way I feel about GPT 5.2

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

elAhmo wrote: post #99

I know a few of my comments are related to this, but these new names are horrible. Why introduce ANOTHER layer of confusion and drop the mini, nano suffixes that people got used to? How does this go through so many layers of management at a trillion dollar company without who has a say raising this? I simply can't believe how stupid the naming scheme from OpenAI was and continues to be even after they acknowledged it…

Marketing... that is all

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by mptest »

bredren wrote: post #44
avereveard wrote: post #31

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Same. For some reason late opus model are very superficial doing ux work and so am using gpt for that, but backend is much better engineered by claude, gpt prefer to duplicate everything it needs on the spot causing class sprawl

How are y'all carrying context history from one agent to the other? I also flip between the models due to quota, TUI enhancements, model updates and service availability. To handle this, I built a thing that normalizes your transcripts between Claude Code and Codex into a shared DB, then a CLI and skill. It has made it so it doesn't matter what I built where (or when) I just refer to the work and drop in a /total-rec…

> how are yall carrying context...

Personally I just , in the orchestration loop, have all decisions be constantly reviewed and deliberated on and the decisions logged in a permanent way, that way everything is auditable, the model if needed can go back and look at why x or why decision was made or x or y tool used, and they're all labeled as D-1234 or whatever.

Plus I have it log the council discussions and always include provenance or the opinions so fable can go back after every major implementation and review how the orchestration loop could be improved. Basically have it log as much thinking in an organized compartmentalized way is better than any memory feature I've found though I haven't tried many. Auditable logs for every major decision, use 5.5 with reckless abandon (still have 3 resets myself).

Not claiming this is perfect but it has led to a very easy time of any fresh agent picking up the project. I also keep a task queue and project status and agent playbook that also get refined based off the logs of how a run went

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by [deleted] »

behnamoh wrote: post #55
jychang wrote: post #30

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> Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a brand new bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus. OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more usage for the same sized model. GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra GPT-…

OpenAI already has a Mythos level model, it's called GPTCyber and before that, it was called gpt-5.5-pro.

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by small_model »

Fable 5 for the planning, thinking, reasoning part, then GPT 5.5 to implement is an almost perfect combo, with Fable then reviewing GPT's code.

Codex CLI just seems faster at coding than Claude Code but Fable is just a level above intelligence wise, it's truly like taking to very very very smart human.

With GPT 5.6 though will be interesting to see if things flip, to have Codex speed (or faster) with Fable level intelligence is a game changer.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday

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Post by leokennis »

ayewo wrote: post #162
leokennis wrote: post #152

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(At least in Europe) Toyota used to name their models "Sol", "Luna" and "Terra" as well. Sol had all the trimmings, Terra had the least. It sounded nicer than something like "Luxury" and "Basic".

> Sol had all the trimmings, Terra had the least. That’s interesting. My understanding is that: Sol = Sun Terra = Earth Luna = Moon So it’s a bit surprising that in Toyota’s nomenclature, Terra is the basic trim instead of Luna.

I always understood it as "the further from the (dirty/basic) Earth, the more luxurious".
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