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We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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Creator here, There is a new kind of task for software engineers these days. A client calls, asks for a "small refactor," and sends you 100k lines of AI-generated spaghetti. And this is great! This is something we can work with. Any experienced engineer can look at a codebase like that and quickly see what to refactor, where a library replaces a few thousand hand-rolled lines, and what smells bad. Removing the first…

The copy on your website itself kind of reads like LLM slop (eg. "One week. Three senior engineers. $10,000"). You may have written it yourself and marketing copy just tends to look like this, but it doesn't inspire confidence that your service will actually improve my code.

I think it is deliberately written to be LLM slop so the folks buying their services will be comforted.

Some people like AI generated comfort-slop nowadays. They feel uncomfortable when they run into individualistic human language.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

#192
One week to both refactor a big code base and also make sure everything works as expected? Not the estimate I would expect from a senior analyst, too optimistic. Fine that you fix the regressions for free, but the last thing I want is a one-week refractory going to production and fire fighting later.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

#193
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You know, that question should trouble us more. But honestly we've all asked ourselves that same question and I think our collective response is too nuanced to try to type properly but I'll try. Tools are always made out to seem like the human could be replaced. We've seen that every time some new technology comes out that some people claim will replace humans once and for all! But this does not seem to be true. What…

writing code is the actual fun part of the job though. it’s a shame we automated that instead of the boring system design shit.

I love coding, or rather I love what coding allows me to do which is build and ship. That’s not be saying we abdicate any responsibility and yolo all our code but coding was _always_ a means to an end.

See also debates between high/low level languages.

You might as well say “real men/women only write Asm”.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

#195
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, that question should trouble us more. But honestly we've all asked ourselves that same question and I think our collective response is too nuanced to try to type properly but I'll try. Tools are always made out to seem like the human could be replaced. We've seen that every time some new technology comes out that some people claim will replace humans once and for all! But this does not seem to be true. What…

writing code is the actual fun part of the job though. it’s a shame we automated that instead of the boring system design shit.

All those things (coding / distributing / design / whatever) WAS fan to you / us. It was. "The thrill is gone ..."

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

#196

We replaced a 120,000 USD/year low-code/no-code platform that was running a lot of workflows. And we have another platform that is also similar that we are on track to replace by EOY. Both have been replaced by "vibe" coding. It works well. Everyone's happy. People are having fun with it. We get feature requests, improvements, ideas, feedback. JIRA tickets get created, and we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to…

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Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

#197
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> we ask AI to reference that ticket, code to it, and create a PR > none of them have read any more than a few lines of code So what do you / your team do?

Manage and oversee the engineering

You forgot a "vision". /s

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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They solve "adding a feature now takes days and breaks two other things".

No, they solve figuring out if a change breaks your existing code. But if your code is poorly structured, it absolutely does not make it easier to modify.

It still solves "breaks two other things".

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

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> So what do you / your team do? This is so funny to me, because I know it's asked in earnest but seems so obvious to me: They get actual work done. Programming isn't work. That's just a means to an end. A tool to get the actual job done. At least in most orgs. Obviously there are exceptions - but the vast economy is not a bunch of software companies. It's companies doing things to build a physical product, and softw…

It's interesting how people view software as a distraction and an annoying side quest/cost center, but never apply that to, say, 90% of what management does. None of that "directly" makes money either! That tells us a lot more about the leadership and management philosophies at modern companies than anything fundamental about what kind of work actually matters.

> annoying side quest

Face it - it's because developers are annoying princesses. Just read your comment again.

My entitled friend was whining AI will start monitoring his work and he won't be able to slack as much as he does now. Basically he'll have to work like everyone else. FFS.

Re: We charge $10k a week to delete AI-generated code

#200
post #2

Creator here, There is a new kind of task for software engineers these days. A client calls, asks for a "small refactor," and sends you 100k lines of AI-generated spaghetti. And this is great! This is something we can work with. Any experienced engineer can look at a codebase like that and quickly see what to refactor, where a library replaces a few thousand hand-rolled lines, and what smells bad. Removing the first…

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