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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by koolba »

nl wrote: post #181
s3p wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is the case just because of the 'fallback' method they described, where suspicious requests are routed to Opus 4.8. If the model was degraded for certain categories of knowledge, then they'd probably be fine letting the model answer to it. IMO, of course

"Fallback" is only for LLM-training related requests (ie, ones that would compete with Anthropic (!)) For cyber and bio related requests it just refuses.

When it was briefly available I had it fallback to Opus for security related tasks. It would only refuse if you explicitly told it not to fallback.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by kyleee »

standardUser wrote: post #95
Bilal_io wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably they reached a backdoor agreement.

You're suggesting a for-profit company both hobbled it's own product and is actively lying about doing so. The only way that's true is if the Trump admin has crawled all the way up Anthropic's ass. But by all accounts, this is just another 10% effort by Trump and friends.

10% for the big guy

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Schiendelman »

csallen wrote: post #143
NortySpock wrote: post #128

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Ok, and? You can live with that if there are more important things to deal with. I've stared at ugly LLM code, that I had just had generated, and worked well enough for my purposes. (generally, some quick recursion into a nested python dictionary in order to dig out some property -- especially for linting or quick data analysis). And I wanted something better, sure, something a bit more readable ...but I just needed…

You're on Hacker News. This is a site full of developers who are convinced that "proper software engineering" is 100% of what makes a business successful, and everything and everyone else is useless. You can't just waltz in here and point out that code in business is a means to an end and expect not to get downvoted.

As a technical product manager, this 1000%. It's just irrelevant how bad code is unless it impacts the business.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by jacksonastone »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

Feels like a leap. This kind of move was always possible. It's possible China stops publishing their frontier too. US could lock down access to Nvidia latest hw of scale even if you intended to do open models. Then what? Say amd or bust? The best you could do going solo (i.e no nation-state interference) is tiny stuff that you can run on commercial stuff. But that is seriously limited / slow in comparison. You either have to do dumb and fast, or smart and slow IME for these self-hosted things that aren't on the beefy racks.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Terr_ »

satvikpendem wrote: post #146
tmpz22 wrote: post #80

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Silicon valley may be a low trust society but I havent given up hope on the rest of it yet.

After COVID at least in the West, I have.

Or at any rate, the "society" being gauged for trust-levels has to be something substantially finer-grained than a US state.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by nmfisher »

echelon wrote: post #81
jdlshore wrote: post #71

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What concrete business advantage are you getting from LLMs?

Speed.

From my brief window of Fable usage, speed wasn't its strong point at all.

For actually building software, I'm starting to suspect a human with a dumber (but faster) model is going to get the job done quicker than Fable (and possibly even cheaper). Bug-finding and vulnerability detection is a different story.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by benfortuna »

jacksonastone wrote: post #194
drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

Feels like a leap. This kind of move was always possible. It's possible China stops publishing their frontier too. US could lock down access to Nvidia latest hw of scale even if you intended to do open models. Then what? Say amd or bust? The best you could do going solo (i.e no nation-state interference) is tiny stuff that you can run on commercial stuff. But that is seriously limited / slow in comparison. You either…

The real answer is you should never build your business on ANY specific model. As usual avoid lock-in and switch when you need to.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by SwellJoe »

rafram wrote: post #167
SwellJoe wrote: post #96

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The good news (for you and most everyone other than the current leading AI companies), the gap between the SOTA and the near-frontiers is getting smaller every week or two. The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now (GLM 5.2 tickles the tail of GPT 5.3 or 5.4 and Opus 4.6, according to benchmarks and the vibes among heavy users who've spent some time with it), where they were a couple of years behind…

4.6 was released at the beginning of February, so if the Chinese models only "tickle its tail," that means they're >5 months behind.

What range of numbers do you believe "a few" represents?

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by nl »

enraged_camel wrote: post #151
kcb wrote: post #74

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You really think China doesn't have massive amounts of capital expenditure related to AI? They're actively bootstrapping an entire chip industry.... https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-prepares-295-billi...

China’s chip industry is 7-10 years behind, and that is because they are desperate and have been throwing money at it. But technological progress requires more than just money.

Jensen said the Huawei Ascend 950 is roughly comparable to the NVidia H200[1]

The H200 was released Nov 2024.

Even allowing for Jensen exaggerating the risk there is no way China is 7-10 years behind.

Looking at manufacturing process nodes, SMIC N+3 is a a 5nm process. 5nm was introduced by Samsung and TSMC in 2020 so at most that is 6 years.

But the chips they can produce on it are roughly comparable to "roughly level with Android flagships from three years ago"[2]

TL;DR: China is more like 2-4 years behind than 7-10 years. If China developed EUV lithography then all bets are off.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1kxw6b9/nvidia_... - see video.

[2] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/se...

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