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Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by jasonlotito »

moralestapia wrote: post #145
jasonlotito wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple. He broke this rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Canvassing This is fairly straightforward, with the result (blocked from editing) mentioned clearly. It doesn't matter the topic. Being a cofounder is immaterial.

The link you provided does not describe what would be usually be thought of as a "rule". Consider updating your comment to make more sense wrt. that.

> The link you provided does not describe what would be usually be thought of as a "rule".

Yes, it does.

> Consider updating your comment to make more sense wrt. that.

It makes perfect sense to reasonable people.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by jrflowers »

spidercat wrote: post #190
jrflowers wrote: post #182

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You’ll give that poster ten thousand dollars if they post they made a typo? Do yuo give money for all typos

Sounds like a great opportunity to get the original commenter in on the scam. "Psst. Say you indeed made a typo, and I'll split the spoils with ya!" It wouldn't truly be The Internet without a little bit of Tough Guy Posturing, I suppose. :)

I would love to get paid for my terrible posts

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by avaer »

Viliam1234 wrote: post #185
handoflixue wrote: post #57

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It's amazing how much this behavior is tolerated, despite very clear policies against a single person "owning" a page. > Saying this as a former Wikipedia admin + nerd. Any insight into how these people all manage to dodge the policies against such behavior? Is it just too much effort to complain + favoritism towards frequent editors?

> Is it just too much effort to complain + favoritism towards frequent editors? They know how to play the game 100x better than you do, and you don't want to waste your time learning to play the game at their level. There is a Wikipedia rule for everything, and for the opposite of that, if you know the right buzzwords. If a "good guy" writes on a topic he is involved in, that's great, because he is a subject-matter e…

Basically this. They literally devote their entire lives to playing this game.

They would make for effective politicians if they could translate what they do beyond wikitext.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by bit-anarchist »

vrganj wrote: post #184
bit-anarchist wrote: post #179

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No they aren't the same. Jews, as a race, were seen as subhuman and antisocial, sufficient justifications in Nazi world view to exterminate. Cultural Bolshevism was, at best, an attempt to link anything seen as degenerate to jews to further strengthen persecution of such. Even if Jews weren't a thing, Nazis would still mass murder, hence it was an excuse.

Jews were the evil geniuses behind Bolshevism in the deranged Nazi world view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism Cultural Bolshevism was seen as the Jewish plot to destroy the West. It is all the same. To spread "Cultural Marxism" theories is to spread antisemitism.

You might be confusing a couple of things. Nazis couldn't care less about the "west". In fact, in the Nazi world view, Jews already controlled most of western contries. They were, first and foremost, "aryan" supremacists (not white supremacists, as commonly understand today), and saw the world under a dialectic lens of Aryans vs. everyone else. There is no "west" there.

The people who most talk about "Cultural Marxism" (conservatives) tend to be Israel shills, even on when it commit atrocities. In the same line, most discussions of cultural marxism don't invoke race, maybe religion (but not often Judaism).

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by martinald »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #140
martinald wrote: post #67

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Yes agreed, for example, there was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting. It was the only source I could find easily for showing which country got starlink when.…

> There was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. [...] Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting. ...I mean, yeah, that doesn't sound particularly encyclopedic. "Marketing" might be a bit strong but that…

Why not? It's the first time many developing countries have had access to high quality internet at an often relatively affordable price?

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by panny »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #186
panny wrote: post #181

[flagged]

Where, specifically, in that tediously long article does it say that Iran won the war? I found one citation of an external source whose title claimed that Iran won, and another claiming that there was "a significant shift in Iran's favor". And I'm not surprised that the article is locked. If it were open to edit, there would be massive partisan re-writing of it, from all sides (Democratic, Republican, Iranian, Israel…

Right hand side, just under the map. Date, Location, Result: Iranian Victory.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by MichaelZuo »

bayindirh wrote: post #124
dotancohen wrote: post #111

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> Recruiting inexperienced people to bias decisions which requires knowledge is effectively converting that proposal to a blunt instrument and trying to force your way in (aka bludgeon). I agree with your premise and with your conclusion. That said, campaigning in a democracy is exactly recruiting inexperienced people to bias decisions which requires knowledge. Any support of that viewpoint would effectively ban poli…

That's not my premise, and not my conclusion. This is a summary of what the admins talk on that discussion page. So I'm just a messenger summarizing things. Moreover, Wikipedia is not a democracy [0]. It's a consensus based system. So, as they say, votes coming from outside doesn't count, and that's fine by me. Last but not the least, this is a kind of decision on the level of law-making for the Wikipedia. People ele…

It clearly cannot be consensus based?

As several users mentioned, “The Unblockables” are notorious, as only one admin willing to unblock them is sufficienf. Even against the wishes of another admin and many users.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by MichaelZuo »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #150
wongarsu wrote: post #31

So to summarize: he resuggested "WikiProject Intellectual Diversity", a group with the goal to make "Wikipedia more intellectually diverse" and "ensure fair and open decision-making and governance, broaden the range of permissible sources, reinforce genuine neutrality, rein in over-aggressive blocking while holding the powerful to higher standards of accountability", etc, with the implied undertone of preventing Wiki…

Well, sure, it looks like one thing, but ... I took a quick look at what the "Wikiproject intellectual diversity" was actually monitoring. Specific articles or categories about things Mr Sanger finds interesting,right? Well, indeed: specifically it's all arbcom, admin elections, policy pages. You can check it out here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Larry_Sanger/WikiProject_... Then he canvassed people from outsi…

This doesnt make sense… ?

Clearly all significant names involved with Wikipedia, including admins, have some kind of ulterior motives, to some degree above literally zero.

Unless you believe in literally perfect altruism 100% of the time.

The degree can vary from one to another, but that seems like a much higher bar to confidently pin down.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

panny wrote: post #196
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where, specifically, in that tediously long article does it say that Iran won the war? I found one citation of an external source whose title claimed that Iran won, and another claiming that there was "a significant shift in Iran's favor". And I'm not surprised that the article is locked. If it were open to edit, there would be massive partisan re-writing of it, from all sides (Democratic, Republican, Iranian, Israel…

Right hand side, just under the map. Date, Location, Result: Iranian Victory.

Fair enough. I missed that.

Still, at least it marks it as disputed...

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by SanjayMehta »

phoe-krk wrote: post #3

Possible context at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Adminis... - might be a better link, too.

Meatpuppetry? Bludgeoning?

They've created their own lexicon and priesthood to run it. No wonder it's so badly compromised. Larry is right.

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