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This is probably Keychain, right?
Probably, the most stupid thing with apple is there is no way to clear this keychain AFAIK without resetting whole phone.
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Loupe – A iOS app that raises awareness about what native apps can see
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Re: Loupe – A iOS app that raises awareness about what native apps can see
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iPhones purchased in mainland China (with model number ending in CH/A) do provide options for setting per-app Internet access permissions. There are three options [0]: Off, WLAN only, WLAN and Cellular. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/aib10i/in_china_ios_al...
What? Why is this Chinese market only? This is exactly what I wanted. There are Apps I simply don't want them to touch internet.
Its Chinese market only because of regulation. China mandates it. Don't implement it = you don't get to sell in China.
If Apple wanted to provide this willingly they would. That its only available in China due to government regulation tells you all you need to know.
Re: Loupe – A iOS app that raises awareness about what native apps can see
#193I don't understand why internet access isn't opt-in for apps. Preventing exfiltration would prevent much of this harm, and most apps don't have any need to access the internet in the first place. Why am I creating a GE account to read my blood pressure? At least I know it's taking advantage of me. But this is clearly abusive behavior
Because 99% of apps would request it & not function without it, desensitising users into blindly accepting it. Most apps do have a legitimate reason for accessing the internet, so a binary yes/no wouldn’t achieve much anyway. I just don’t think it’s an effective way of solving the problem.
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Because 99% of apps would request it & not function without it, desensitising users into blindly accepting it. Most apps do have a legitimate reason for accessing the internet, so a binary yes/no wouldn’t achieve much anyway. I just don’t think it’s an effective way of solving the problem.
> Most apps do have a legitimate reason for accessing the internet I just flat out think this is bullshit
You are right, it is BS.
Non-multiplayer games, clock, camera, contacts, phone, text message, file explorer, keyboard, launcher, notes, document viewer/editor, image viewer, audio recorder...
Most of the apps on my phone do not need internet access.
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Are there legitimate reasons why an App should know I have installed?
Back before Apple allowed users to set the default browser I had a feature in my app that presented a list of installed browsers when a user opens an external link, giving them the option to choose where it opened.
Android gives me that option at the OS level.
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Are there legitimate reasons why an App should know I have installed?
E.g if gmail knows that you have maps or chrome it can deep link you into a particular view instead of opening safari.
At the OS level, Android gives me the option to open links in the corresponding app.
Re: Loupe – A iOS app that raises awareness about what native apps can see
#197Yeah what's worse... I have a LG modern TV. Smart shit. I also use a Linux install on a NUC. HDMI. For some godsdamned reason, the TV was able to initiate an IP bridge with the Linux NUC and get an IP address on my network. Nobody typed it in the TV. And I'm unsure how it did so itself. What I do know is that Mikrotik allows DHCP-server blocks of wildcard MAC addresses. Blocked the whole fucking 24 bits of their allo…
This would be quite the scandal if you can substantiate/document it.
People always say, "jUsT dO nOt CoNnEcT your TV to you WiFi" which is asinine.
People say that theoretically TVs can get an internet connection through HDMI, but apparently none are actually doing so.
The only solution I suggest is physically removing WiFi cards from the guts before turning on.
Re: Loupe – A iOS app that raises awareness about what native apps can see
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> Most apps do have a legitimate reason for accessing the internet I just flat out think this is bullshit
You are right, it is BS. Non-multiplayer games, clock, camera, contacts, phone, text message, file explorer, keyboard, launcher, notes, document viewer/editor, image viewer, audio recorder... Most of the apps on my phone do not need internet access.
Almost all of the apps you mentioned sync data to, or access data from iCloud in the vast majority of use cases. I mention iCloud here because this submission is about iOS.
That said, I'd love to have a new "Internet access" permission for apps, so users had the choice. Perhaps even separate "Allow iCloud" and "Allow Internet" but that's probably too granular for Apple's taste.
Re: Loupe – A iOS app that raises awareness about what native apps can see
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You are right, it is BS. Non-multiplayer games, clock, camera, contacts, phone, text message, file explorer, keyboard, launcher, notes, document viewer/editor, image viewer, audio recorder... Most of the apps on my phone do not need internet access.
Almost all of the apps you mentioned sync data to, or access data from iCloud in the vast majority of use cases. I mention iCloud here because this submission is about iOS. That said, I'd love to have a new "Internet access" permission for apps, so users had the choice. Perhaps even separate "Allow iCloud" and "Allow Internet" but that's probably too granular for Apple's taste.
For that case, iOS could just run a system daemon to shuttle the app data to/from iCloud. The app itself should not need internet access for this.
I have no idea if this is what already happens, but I feel like it might be. (Why would each app have all these network connections when the system could just manage it instead?)
Re: Loupe – A iOS app that raises awareness about what native apps can see
#200This is neat and interesting, truly, but the classic “what now?” emerges. I guess the only answer is “throw out my iPhone”? Otherwise this kind of seems like a circuitous ad to make people get worried and download Psylo, which I see has in-app purchases. I’m not trying to come at you here, but it’s just hard not to feel suspicious online these days.
Don't install apps outside trustable apps that don't embed tracking. Even if you cannot uninstall every app, the fewer you have, the less cross-app tracking. Also donate to and consider installing privacy-conscious alternative phone OSes. They may not have closed all holes (yet), but at least their incentives are aligned with yours.
> Also donate to and consider installing privacy-conscious alternative phone OSes.
iPhone