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Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#191

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Go tell that to Oklahomans and others still making a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour

"Basketball players are extremely tall." "Go tell that to the middle school travel team in my neighborhood." Why are you even making this comment? The comment you responded to was obviously talking about median wages of the entire US population. Real Wages are near all-time highs - it's just a fact, you can look up the data yourself.

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Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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It's worth being precise about this because it's a really important point. Most people who we call "landlords" are simultaneously a landlord and a property manager. Property management is an important and productive job. But the vast majority of such people's financial outcome is actually from being a landlord , that is doing literally nothing except holding a piece of paper granting them monopoly on a plot of land.…

I'm going to assume ignorance and try to explain why landlords exist. Of course you could already understand this and have this as an ideological stance, in which case my effort is likely wasted. Landlords assume a similar role in economy that banks do, they assume risk on your belalf. We have quantified this to an extent that you can reliably put a dollar amount on how much risk there is. When you are renting and th…

When ownership shows up at zoning meetings, the main risk they seem to be concerned about is accidentally letting someone build enough housing. Heaven forbid!

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#193

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If you can find a single person still getting paid that, please give me their info and I will have them making twice that by tomorrow.

I'm making that much as a software engineer in a 3rd world country. Hire me :)

Hell, Google pays Junior Engineers less than that in Bangalore.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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While i appreciate that this is a valid link. I would argue that its political stance is clear: its framing of this as "Biden’s border crisis", and its sourcing is poor: referencing fox news but no other news sources, and no links to primary documents or data, especially around the causality.

Additionally it doesn't appear to reference the actual HUD report from 2025 https://www.huduser.gov/portal//portal/sites/default/files/p...

This at least has AFAICT the 100% figure, but the causal link seems unsubstantiated. The exact, unreferenced quote from the document is "Immigration accounts for up to 100 percent of housing demand growth in some regions, and for two-thirds of rental demand growth nationwide. In California and New York, immigrants have accounted for 100 percent of all rental growth and over one-half of all growth in owner-occupied housing in recent years." p45 with no further citation to back that up. I know its not an academic paper, but some citation would be good to back this up.

Id be interested in more information on causal data, or at least a more nuanced stance on such a strong statement. Or a less politically charged comment.

Full disclosure, i (obviously from my comment) dont lean right, but one thing i appreciate about HN is a more nuanced comment, and i think this is a chance for that.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#195

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The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.

Equal treatment sounds good to me. Which point are you responding to?

> I’m sure many immigrants had money on the IPO as well?

Either it's bad faith or you don't understand the implications. Either way, GL with whatever.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#196

The problem is absolutley that housing is too expensive, which of course a bunch of realtors are not going to point out. Increasing wages will not fix the housing crisis, and will just drive prices higher. How convenient for a bunch of realtors...

Build baby build. It's the only way.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#197

Don't live in the US, but we're facing similar problems here in Norway. One main driver is that there's not being built enough new housing. It's a combination of building being too expensive, higher interest rates, etc. So the second-hand/used market is red hot. Renting has become so expensive, that many landlords have exited - so we're likely heading into a really bad crunch in the near future for the renters. I've…

> One main driver is that there's not being built enough new housing. I recently entertained the idea of building a new house. Not terribly surprising, but worth mentioning that the time and materials to put up the structure was going cost even more than buying a used house. If nobody can afford to buy a less expensive used house then naturally nobody is going to build the much more expensive new house either. Therei…

New things do tend to cost more than old things, that's pretty much always the case!

Where I live, people are blocking the construction of new apartments because the cost of the new ones is a bit higher, 10%-50%, than the average existing apartment.

The idea behind blocking the new apartments is that "new expensive apartments don't help anybody" and people get very upset that the new housing is going to the type of person that can afford to pay slightly more for the newer apartment. Rather they would prefer that new housing is only built if it's cheaper than existing housing.

So when housing does get blocked, the existing landlords demand the higher new rents that those wealthier people pay, driving up the overall costs on old apartments. The poorer people get displaced, the wealthier people have housing but worse housing, and the only people who are better off are the landlords of the older apartments.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#198

The problem is absolutley that housing is too expensive, which of course a bunch of realtors are not going to point out. Increasing wages will not fix the housing crisis, and will just drive prices higher. How convenient for a bunch of realtors...

Is it the case that housing was previously just very cheap and this is the normal price?

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#199
For the ones that didn't read the article, it says there. The problem is that the state takes more and more away from the workers wages:

"The biggest flaw: It uses gross income, not take-home pay

One of the biggest issues with the 30% rent rule is that it’s based on your gross income—not the amount of money that actually lands in your bank account on payday.

To illustrate this flaw, let’s use some real-world numbers. According to the latest FRED data, the median household income in the U.S. is about $84,000 per year, or roughly $7,000 per month before taxes.

Under the 30% rule, you could theoretically spend about $2,100 per month on rent if this is your income.

But let’s take a look at what your take-home pay could be with this salary. "

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#200

Is it the wages or that shitty one bedroom apartments go for $2000+

dual income expectations raising costs for everyone, plus work culture necessitating clustering in metros - everything conspires against affordability
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