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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by PunchyHamster »

WarmWash wrote: post #106

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

I feel like it's less "defend china" but more "don't wanna have US have monopoly on it"

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by riskd »

WarmWash wrote: post #175
beepbooptheory wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand it's supposed to be obvious to all of us, but maybe just for fun, can you follow through? What is the next step in the nefarious plan?

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by stackbutterflow »

WarmWash wrote: post #175
beepbooptheory wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand it's supposed to be obvious to all of us, but maybe just for fun, can you follow through? What is the next step in the nefarious plan?

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The present US administration and its backers don't want diversity, democracy and non-whites. Where does that leave non-Chinese and non-US citizens ?

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by mft_ »

WarmWash wrote: post #175
beepbooptheory wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand it's supposed to be obvious to all of us, but maybe just for fun, can you follow through? What is the next step in the nefarious plan?

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In your take, why are they producing and giving away such good local models? Mindshare? Promotion?

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Post by uberex »

miroljub wrote: post #116
WarmWash wrote: post #106

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

As a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.

I trust them as a cloud less than US but don't completely trust US.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by impalallama »

WarmWash wrote: post #106

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

The smallest violin in the world for Sam Altman, and Musk

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by chrononaut »

mystraline wrote: post #162
QuantumGood wrote: post #144

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CVS (drugstore chain) and Walgreens were among the first major U.S. merchants to accept Alipay via QR code payments, allowing Chinese consumers (and anyone with Alipay) to pay at these stores.

This person is correct. I pay for 2 servers running in Asia under Alibaba, using my local CVS drugstore. Im in the Midwest USA. Not a single problem at all.

Sorry, I am not familiar with Alipay, at least in the use case you're referring to; How do you exactly pay for 2 servers using Alipay from a CVS?

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by WarmWash »

stackbutterflow wrote: post #193
WarmWash wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The present US administration and its backers don't want diversity, democracy and non-whites. Where does that leave non-Chinese and non-US citizens ?

Waiting until the next election, mid-terms are in a few months.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

theplumber wrote: post #133
l5870uoo9y wrote: post #103

Is DeepSeek really behaving different than other Chinese companies? Intellectual theft is ongoing and has been ongoing for decades. Besides security risks and foul play, it is impressive by just how much DeepSeek undercuts OpenAI and Claude. DeepSeek charges $0.87 per million output tokens compared to $50 for Fable and $30 for GPT-5.5.

Can you keep a straight face when you say IP theft while OpenAI and Claude have their entire business based on IP theft?

This is a commonly-repeated trope. Full of all the emotional zeal of AI Doomerism, but no accompanying evidence.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by cwel »

mft_ wrote: post #194
WarmWash wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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In your take, why are they producing and giving away such good local models? Mindshare? Promotion?

Not who you are replying to, nor do I agree with their take (no sign of irony, complete lack of self awareness, and just blatantly xenophobic. not suprised by it either). but they did already address this:

> it's called soft power, look at endless glazing, it works

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