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Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by Npovview »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #152
genezeta wrote: post #3

I've had quite a few conversations and read many thoughts on the subject of job security in the software industry through the years. New technologies, various crisis and crashes, just age , incoming "hordes" of less prepared developers, or whatever. If I had to highlight the one thing all those conversations had in common it would be precisely this: I thought that having this knowledge would set me apart And it never…

Everyone but insane people like me want some kind of durable stability to their life they don’t want to be forced to reinvent themselves every five years because the world is changing faster than it ever has While I understand where people are coming from to an extent that’s just never been my lifestyle and so when I see people looking for some kind of long-term stability I just kind of baffled at what makes them thi…

Red Queen hypothesis is a hypothesis in evolutionary biology proposed in 1973, that species must constantly adapt, evolve, and proliferate in order to survive while pitted against ever-evolving opposing species.

Why do we always assume environments and other agents will always remain static.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by sarchertech »

jason_oster wrote: post #174
sarchertech wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mom was generating web pages with dreamweaver 25 years ago. People used it sure, but people certainly did care about the quality because it produced unmaintainable code. If people truly didn’t care about the quality people would have stopped learning how to write html and CSS around 2005.

> people would have stopped learning how to write html and CSS around 2005. They did. Now it's all JSX or htmx or some other favored template or DSL monstrosity. Most people do not write HTML or CSS, and haven't in decades. You're spot on. This says nothing about quality, however. Quality of HTML/CSS is purely subjective. A website's presentation layer cannot meet any technical standard metric for quality in engineer…

I’m not going define away blocks of HTML inside of php scripts as not writing HTML by hand, but if you want to do that then sure most people were never writing HTML and CSS by hand.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by contingencies »

lelanthran wrote: post #60
lwhi wrote: post #26

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I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. People who _can_ see the wood for the trees, and are able to understand multiple (sometimes conflicting) requirements and work out a way through that solves the problems that arise, for all involved parties. An understanding of domain, the ability to communicate effectively and a mind that can think laterally, will all be vital.

> I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. In the future, those who succeed will be the owners of capital.

> In the future, those who succeed will be the owners of capital.

No. In the future, those who succeed will be the children of the owners of capital.

See The Economist, February 2025: https://archive.is/PCoWl

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by skybrian »

lelanthran wrote: post #60
lwhi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. People who _can_ see the wood for the trees, and are able to understand multiple (sometimes conflicting) requirements and work out a way through that solves the problems that arise, for all involved parties. An understanding of domain, the ability to communicate effectively and a mind that can think laterally, will all be vital.

> I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. In the future, those who succeed will be the owners of capital.

How does that work? Funding is useful, but we aren't seeing fully-automated startups, and often, founders don't need all that much funding.

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Post by ValentineC »

ufocia wrote: post #71
RugnirViking wrote: post #56

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right. Apprentices will always grow, and so too must you, if you want to keep being paid. Their job is to come with new tools and new ideas, and your job is to keep a wider view into what you're doing and why, maintaining trust (you need to build the authority to tell apprentices no when their ideas might flood the customer's house), and keep moving towards other parts of the business and solving harder problems (wor…

Libraries, Google and YouTube were/are not nearly as efficient at conveying _targetted_ _actionable_ expertise as AI is.

On the flip side: it's trivial to search "how to fix that pipe" on YouTube, see a bunch of success videos, and trust them all.

I'm not sure I can trust any single AI, or even multiple AI models, to not hallucinate overconfidence in certain real world domains.

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Post by casey2 »

stavarotti wrote: post #118

> On novel work: > Work that introduces new methods, highly creative ideas, or solutions that have not been used or experienced before. More generally, an approach that introduces an innovative strategy to solve a complex problem. Something that I've been thinking about for the past year or so is coming to grips with the fact that the vast majority (anecdote) of software engineering work is not novel (and maybe that'…

All public school students in the US at least are taught how to do basic scientific research. They should be making novel discoveries every day. The only thing that stopping them now is their own laziness.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by tedtimbrell »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #49

> Domain knowledge can be learnt much quicker than how to apply good engineering principles. This is a particularly ignorant thing to say.

To me the author was saying that the cross-domain knowledge needed to collaborate is easier to pick up not that other domains are easy

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by awesomeMilou »

skybrian wrote: post #194
lelanthran wrote: post #60

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> I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. In the future, those who succeed will be the owners of capital.

How does that work? Funding is useful, but we aren't seeing fully-automated startups, and often, founders don't need all that much funding.

By completely eliminating the need for a human workforce, therefore rendering a majority of humanity obsolete, therefore lots of social inequality, therefore lots of starvation, poverty and death.

When billionaires say "think about the trillions of people that will benefit from AI" and some notion of living in a post scarcity world, they are talking about _their_ descendants, not yours.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by [deleted] »

lwhi wrote: post #190
lelanthran wrote: post #130

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> Past, Present, and Future. If you control the means of production you win. Yeah, but we were talking about only success, not winning. In the past and the present, you could succeed purely on a combination of skill, talent and labour. This approach looks like it will not work much longer.

I can see where you're coming from. We exchange our knowledge, time, and skill for money. If this exchange is no longer viable — because similar value can be accessed via LLM agents — we'll have no way of making money. I do think some (non-billionaire) people will survive the transition, but the question then becomes: what happens to everyone else?

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