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Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

conradludgate wrote: post #142
coldtea wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, I would prefer getting the prompt. I would also prefer anyone sending me the AI output and not either their ideas or their prompt, to not contant me ever again. If I wanted the output of the AI, I'd ask it myself. You're just a useless intermediary if you send it to me.

This might apply to the AI integrations in Gmail, but someone's own agent setup might have more references saved privately than yours. You can't ask your AI to search through my personal notes.

The people that send that crap are the guys who one-off it, not the guys who have a carefully crafted context, skills, and local references on top of the prompt.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

ivraatiems wrote: post #133
coldtea wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but would also be better if everybody got a free pony with supplies for life or met true love, etc.

Is it your contention that the vast majority of people only value others in terms of their economic value?

My contention, which I stated quite clearly is that saying otherwise while not paying them, not giving them work, etc, and leaving them to rot, is an empty platitude.

"Go die homeless, but remember, you have intrisic value just for being human".

Re: You can just say it

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Post by IndeanCondor »

hackingonempty wrote: post #188
buescher wrote: post #129

There is a C.S. Lewis quote that is as good as St. Paul and I don’t say that lightly: “There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors. This does not mean that we are to be…

People are mortal. C.S. Lewis died over sixty years ago.

And yet here you are, strongly reacting to a philosophical argument made by him.

He's mortal, he's dead, and yet he's affected you here, a throwaway comment on a forum post no one will think about in a week's time.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by Planktonne »

throwaway_19sz wrote: post #187
cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

I disagree with the sentiment. The prompt is not what you meant to say. It is part of the private act of thinking, of choosing your words. The thing you send is what you meant to say. There has always been a vital distinction between what you think and what you say. The notion that you should ever have direct access to private thoughts that someone chose not to send to you is wrongheaded. It’s like receiving a letter…

> The prompt is not what you meant to say. It is part of the private act of thinking

The private act of thinking does not involve a round trip to a corporation's servers; that would make the whole term meaningless.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by delichon »

majormajor wrote: post #140
delichon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a friend or colleague, yes. But for quotidian business transactions LLMs are such a shortcut. I pointed one to three Amazon orders that I wanted to return with reasons for each, and asked it to look up the details and generate warranty service request emails for each. A quick review copy paste send, boom done. A 15 minute task done in 5. Repeat and it adds up. But you need to know when not to take the shortcut. On…

Last time I returned anything to amazon it was a two-minute-or-less task that didn't involve anything like a warranty service request email?

I buy sous vide cookers that die in about 3 months (all brands I've found do when run 24x7). That's outside of the normal return window and requires a warranty claim to get a replacement. For that you go through the maker, not Amazon. This basically doubles the useful life of the purchase, but I'd rather find one that lasts.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by anal_reactor »

mlsu wrote: post #17

Our lives are just a big collection of experiences. The wall-clock minutes that actually matter in our lives are the minutes that we spend with other people. These minutes are literally all we have ; the next minute you have is literally the only thing you lose when you die. Talking to machines is only ever something I have to do so that I can put food on the table. I never remember the minutes that I have spent talk…

> Talking to machines is only ever something I have to do so that I can put food on the table. I never remember the minutes that I have spent talking to a machine, they are not memorable because they are not valuable.

Bro apparently you didn't play Need For Speed Underground 2 on release. That shit was better than 99% of human interactions I have.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by anal_reactor »

coldtea wrote: post #192
ivraatiems wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it your contention that the vast majority of people only value others in terms of their economic value?

My contention, which I stated quite clearly is that saying otherwise while not paying them, not giving them work, etc, and leaving them to rot, is an empty platitude. "Go die homeless, but remember, you have intrisic value just for being human".

Fully agreed.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by anal_reactor »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

Claude please write a comment explaining why "just saying things" is a retarded idea because most people are dumb fucks and the only way to cohabitate with them is to tell them what they want to hear, not what is true.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by dataflow »

Planktonne wrote: post #194
throwaway_19sz wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with the sentiment. The prompt is not what you meant to say. It is part of the private act of thinking, of choosing your words. The thing you send is what you meant to say. There has always been a vital distinction between what you think and what you say. The notion that you should ever have direct access to private thoughts that someone chose not to send to you is wrongheaded. It’s like receiving a letter…

> The prompt is not what you meant to say. It is part of the private act of thinking The private act of thinking does not involve a round trip to a corporation's servers; that would make the whole term meaningless.

> The private act of thinking does not involve a round trip to a corporation's servers; that would make the whole term meaningless.

Firstly, this is just wrong. People can and do search stuff online as they're writing something up.

Second, your distinction is the one that's meaningless. The LLM could be running locally on a private machine...

Re: You can just say it

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Post by Planktonne »

dataflow wrote: post #199
Planktonne wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The prompt is not what you meant to say. It is part of the private act of thinking The private act of thinking does not involve a round trip to a corporation's servers; that would make the whole term meaningless.

> The private act of thinking does not involve a round trip to a corporation's servers; that would make the whole term meaningless. Firstly, this is just wrong. People can and do search stuff online as they're writing something up. Second, your distinction is the one that's meaningless. The LLM could be running locally on a private machine...

1. Yes, but the research isn't part of the 'private act of thinking'; it's an input to it.

2. It could; it basically never is though, so let's deal with the general case.

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