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Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by amelius »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #162
phantomathkg wrote: post #83

It is fascinating that we still haven’t have a law that forbid the car company from automatically share the data. The car owner is buying a car, using computer to handle complicate hardware I understand, but at what point it make sense to share the data automatically without consent?

In Honda vehicles, you can turn it off but then it will show a permanent warning on your dash saying your spying settings are off and keeps bugging you as if you’re out of fuel.

Yes, we also need laws against dark patterns.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by DanielHB »

Gigachad wrote: post #34
madanparas wrote: post #18

Hyundai received 61 cents per vehicle from Verisk. Honda received 26 cents. California's $12.75M fine against GM, the largest CCPA penalty ever, is less than the $20M GM made from selling the data.

It's also surprising how little money is being made. If I was buying a new car and there was an option where I could pay 61 cents for the privacy respecting version, it would be a no brainer.

Car business is ruthless, any profit margin is squeezed as much as possible. The reason the infotainment performance is bad in a lot of cars is cost-cutting on the chips used.

Procurement is expected to find ways % in cut costs continuously, every year, forever. Although data-gathering and selling is not part of procurement it is not surprising if car companies are exploring this.

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Post by coldtea »

jjav wrote: post #155
Frieren wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

> We live in a hell of our own creation Well not "our" creation since only a few oligarchs control most of the companies that engage in this. > and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here. The same oligarchs control nearly all the legislators, so no way out.

>Well not "our" creation since only a few oligarchs control most of the companies that engage in this.

They're just looking after their interests and kinks. It's the suckers that accept it, which are hundreds of millions, that allow this hell to be created, and continue to not do anything about it, when they're not even supporting and voting for them.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by DanielHB »

ehnto wrote: post #80
Gigachad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also surprising how little money is being made. If I was buying a new car and there was an option where I could pay 61 cents for the privacy respecting version, it would be a no brainer.

Surely it costs more than that to run the internet connection as well. I know they choose to do that for other features and probably get good network deals, but the cost is tangible and I would be surprised if it worked out long term.

The hardest part is managing providers across multiple countries, if you want, for example, connectivity in Kazakhstan you either use a super expensive provider that supports a lot of countries, or you have to set up and manage separate contracts with providers in Kazakhstan.

However if you care only about a one or two markets and cars are often already built inside that market...

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #60
sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected by cars and cameras, data shared among third parties, and placement of cameras without informed, specific, continuing public consent. Americans will give away any and all material and immaterial rights to validate their illusion of comfort and security. This will not happen barring a complete audit/revamp of the state

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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by walthamstow »

Lio wrote: post #84
Gigachad wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The end state is something like China, where petty street level crime is essentially solved. You can leave your bike unlocked because if anyone stole it the police would find them and return it since they can track the thief on a network of cameras. But like you say, many things which have been crimes were based on unethical laws. It's easy to two sides this issue, less crime would on a whole be a good thing but some…

> The end state is something like China, where petty street level crime is essentially solved. That’s also true for many states that don’t have the same coverage of CCTV and total lack of privacy. These are NOT two sides of the same coin.

Where is petty street crime solved without massive government intrusion?

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by [deleted] »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #76
Gigachad wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The end state is something like China, where petty street level crime is essentially solved. You can leave your bike unlocked because if anyone stole it the police would find them and return it since they can track the thief on a network of cameras. But like you say, many things which have been crimes were based on unethical laws. It's easy to two sides this issue, less crime would on a whole be a good thing but some…

China is an ethnically and culturally homogeneous society, with their ethnic minorities being about as different from the Han majority as the Czechs are different from the Slovaks. if China was to experience Western levels of diversity, inclusion, and cultural enrichment, then no amount of surveillance could possibly help prevent crimes, petty and otherwise. just look at the UK.

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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by Sytten »

amelius wrote: post #188
vannevar wrote: post #23

Every corporation is trying to spy on you. Why wouldn't they? There is no real punishment, and large reward. As long as that is true, superficial regulations around tracking will always be circumvented or hollowed out. We need fundamental change in the way corporations interact with society, and in what is expected of them.

My bank somehow isn't selling my transaction data to the highest bidder though.

You sure about that? Visa/Mastercars certainly are selling at least aggregated data if not more.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by gregoriol »

dyauspitr wrote: post #13
giantg2 wrote: post #8

I yanked the bridge between the rest of the car and the cellular board.

Yeah, I have a Ford F150 lightning. I just pulled fuse 8. I periodically connect it so I can receive over the air updates. I hope it doesn’t store all of its data and then upload it all at once every time I put the fuse back in.

You do understand that cars are designed to be in situations where they don't have network access for some time? parking underground and stuff?
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