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DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by nsonha »

eikenberry wrote: post #134
m101 wrote: post #100

For those of you that use deepseek v4 occasionally, what harness do you use it with? I’m only familiar with claude code and codex. Any comments on what you can or cannot rely on it for relative to cc and codex would be appreciated too!

Maybe check out Goose. It is the standard agent harness being developed by The Linux Foundation under the AAIF. Under active development and the implementation seems to have a good leg up on the other popular agents. https://github.com/aaif-goose/goose https://goose-docs.ai/

I see their name mentiod everywere along with Aider, presumably for being among the first agents, but I've never met anyone that actually uses them.

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Post by dominotw »

goobatrooba wrote: post #128
jijji wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…

As a European I have to admit I am these days more worried about the US than China. See yesterday's article about the US government forcing Microsoft to give them lists of Dutch government officials. Utter madness. At least the Chinese mainly care about the money and power levers, the US about strange worlds of revenge and manipulation, trying to change or influence your government. E.g. which of the two countries ha…

so govt forcing a private coroporation being a big deal that a its on the worldwide news is more scary to you than an implicit mandate that china forces on its companies?

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Post by dominotw »

OtomotO wrote: post #179
goobatrooba wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a European I have to admit I am these days more worried about the US than China. See yesterday's article about the US government forcing Microsoft to give them lists of Dutch government officials. Utter madness. At least the Chinese mainly care about the money and power levers, the US about strange worlds of revenge and manipulation, trying to change or influence your government. E.g. which of the two countries ha…

Exactly this. I don't care about the US more than about Russia or China these days. They are definitely not our allies anymore.

you dont need to be allies to do business. walmart is not my ally.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by Defenestresque »

stiray wrote: post #151

If only author would understand, that some people want single, self sustained binary that doesnt take half of computer memory and would rather write it in rust or golang.

github.com/charmracelet/crush

The company that had that acrimonious split from OpenCode. Still, fully written in Go and compared to node-based harnesses, uses 1/5th the RAM. (At least for me.)

Works with any provider (including OpenRouter free ones).

No conflict of interest here, just a happy "customer" of this excellent resource.

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Post by estebarb »

3uler wrote: post #31
embedding-shape wrote: post #2

I'm not sure you need a "DeepSeek native coding agent" to take advantage of DeepSeeks cache, yesterday as the Codex quota usage issue still wasn't solved for me, I wrote a tiny little bridge so I could use DeepSeek V4 Pro via Codex, and seems most of everything I did was basically cached as far as I can tell: https://i.imgur.com/7eKn6wN.png (2026-05-23 Input (Cache hit): 39,123,200 tokens, Input (Cache miss) 1,692,28…

Opencode has really bad cache stability issues that they seem uninterested in fixing at the moment.

I'm not sure that is really the case, or relevant in practice. I have been using OpenCode with DeepSeek lately (regular coding). For instance, today I got 120 million input tokens hitting cache, vs just 2.59million missing cache.

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Post by leemoore »

__natty__ wrote: post #153
soerxpso wrote: post #147

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My understanding of caching with most models/providers is that a prefix substring of the context has to be reused for a cache hit, but not necessarily the whole entire context window. So if you prune tool calls from the history, you're going to get one cache miss on the newly-pruned history, and then you're going to be getting cache hits on every subsequent turn, with a lower number of input tokens. If you prune subs…

So it makes sense to first send stable prompt, reasoning and files content, tool calls summary and actual tool calls at the very end?

The way you do this (and the way opencode does it) is you do most of your pruning in more recent history. Last I looked at opencode, they start pruning tool call results after 2 full agentic turns. So you probably dont get quite as good hits on cache for the most recent 1-5% of your turns, but after that everything else caches fine and those tool calls that likely aren't relavent to your session anymore are gone.

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Post by HDBaseT »

chillfox wrote: post #41
bwfan123 wrote: post #25

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> Hats off to the deekseek team for creating a great product I have been using it for a while, and I wholeheartedly agree. imo, it is as good as codex or claude which I also use. It is a winner in the cost-sensitive tier, and if some startup could put it together with data-retention in mind, it could be a great product sold to the enterprise, as data-retention and privacy are the main issues for the coding-assistant…

Deepseek v4 pro is definitely my preferred cheap model, it's very good, and I use it all the time for my personal projects (opencode go plan), but I also use Claude Opus all the time at work and Deepseek is not as good as that, but it does compete with Sonnet for capability, and beats it on price.

Deepseek V4 Pro is an amazing model, even without the unreal cost factored in.

It is my default model at the moment. I'm not doing anything too complex though. I honestly found more expensive models like Qwen 3.6 to fail in tasks Deepseek nails.

I'm interested in knowing what people are using for tasks which require a bit more thinking. Kimi 2.6? Qwen 3.7? GLM 5.1?

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Post by chillfox »

HDBaseT wrote: post #199
chillfox wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deepseek v4 pro is definitely my preferred cheap model, it's very good, and I use it all the time for my personal projects (opencode go plan), but I also use Claude Opus all the time at work and Deepseek is not as good as that, but it does compete with Sonnet for capability, and beats it on price.

Deepseek V4 Pro is an amazing model, even without the unreal cost factored in. It is my default model at the moment. I'm not doing anything too complex though. I honestly found more expensive models like Qwen 3.6 to fail in tasks Deepseek nails. I'm interested in knowing what people are using for tasks which require a bit more thinking. Kimi 2.6? Qwen 3.7? GLM 5.1?

I don't think there's any open models at the moment that can handle the more challenging stuff.

The things that I use Opus for at work is finding bugs in about ~200k lines of microservices and libraries in a niche language. So, we will get these bug reports that are missing context, can't easily be reproduced on our dev server, and are usually the result of something deep in multiple services/libraries combining with very custom configs. I can ask Opus (max thinking) to find what could cause the bug, and it usually nails it in a few hours (would take me 1-2 weeks to trace it myself). The end result will be like less than 10 lines of code to fix it, some tests to reproduce the bug and a nice report explaining it, so it can be checked in an hour or two.

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