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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by tredre3 »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #2

Vivaldi is all about customization but then they categorically refuse to add extension support to their android browser. Imo extension is the ultimate way to customize your browser experience. It's not technical difficulties, there are open source projects that have such support. I also don't believe it's against any TOS because some of these browser are available in the Google play store. I just don't get why they r…

You also can't import bookmarks on Android. The officially recommended way is to sign up for a sync account and verify it (they don't accept throwaway emails), install on desktop, import on desktop, then sync to mobile.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by erxam »

swed420 wrote: post #139
_verandaguy wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the main reason I stay away from Vivaldi; using Firefox is, for all of Mozilla's borderline comical mismanagement, a protest vote against Blink (and previously, Chromium).

Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google. Follow the money. Ladybird seems to be the only hope, once available.

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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by dylan604 »

buran77 wrote: post #186
dylan604 wrote: post #155

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> Everyone has this revelation once. If it was that easy then customers would practically own the company providing them the services. Do you and your fellow paying customers feel like you own any company, especially big-tech? Do you all control Netflix? Amazon? Apple? A million individual voices are just noise which is what your "fellow paying customers" line equates. A single monetary contributor is not that. It is…

> It is the sugar daddy of Firefox. Talking about bad faith, with Google's single, enormously powerful voice surely you can hear what it says. So why not answer to literally the first thing I asked in my comment instead of skipping straight to the end to claim bad faith? You should have laundry list of examples to show how Google flashes the cash and the orders, and Firefox executes. That's a sugar daddy. You underst…

My point was in support of that if not clearly stated.

Expecting FF to listen to a million individual users is not a good expectation. Expecting FF to be prone to listening to a single powerful voice would be a better expectation. However, FF has not assimilated into yet another Chrome, so there's some evidence they are not giving in to the whims of that powerful voice.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by kermatt »

Petersipoi wrote: post #174
swed420 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google. Follow the money. Ladybird seems to be the only hope, once available.

What is the advantage of building a browser engine from scratch? As opposed to just forking Blink and maintaining it as a separate project? Seems like the former just adds an ungodly amount of work and still doesn't solve the problem of Google using its weight to control web standards. If Firefox and Apple can't rein in Google with their competing engines, what exactly does Ladybird change?

> What is the advantage of building a browser engine from scratch?

Same reason some of us choose Linux over Windows.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by tredre3 »

gib444 wrote: post #98
ahofmann wrote: post #6

Vivaldi is the browser, where I always wonder why it doesn't get mentioned in all the privacy enhanced browsers. It's the only browser for me, that reliably filters out all ads with ublock origin while working on all websites without any problems. Also the company behind Vivaldi is not in USA/China/Russia, which also helps from my point of view.

Privacy enhanced? lol. Install the Android version (similar to desktop I imagine): - The choice in the wizard defaults to no blocking of ads and trackers - Third Party cookies enabled by default - WebRTC IP leaking is the default - No option not to persist history/permanent incognito mode Etc I imagine it leaks your list of extensions just like chromium too

> - No option not to persist history/permanent incognito mode

That's something I've always wanted.

Only Firefox seems to offer it. Firefox can also open external links in incognito (eg if you tap a link in another app, it will open in a firefox private window)

Duckduckgo browser and Brave can be set to delete all data upon start, which is similar but not quite the same because things are still persisted until they're cleaned up at the next start (they say it happens on exit but it really happens on start, because catching exit isn't reliable or something).

Brave also has no way to have exceptions for certain websites (Duckduckgo can, they call it fireproofing).

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by [deleted] »

yard2010 wrote: post #68
brnt wrote: post #26

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Tarballs every 2 months, and we know these don't give you the Vivaldi browser as they supply it. I don't trust them one bit. There was that telemetry analysis that showed Vivaldi as a very noisy browser.

In comparison to Google Chrome?

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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by zamadatix »

yard2010 wrote: post #68
brnt wrote: post #26

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Tarballs every 2 months, and we know these don't give you the Vivaldi browser as they supply it. I don't trust them one bit. There was that telemetry analysis that showed Vivaldi as a very noisy browser.

In comparison to Google Chrome?

The difference is Chromium feels like Chrome if that's what you want to use and trust, it does not feel like Vivaldi and that's basically all that's provided here.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by abrowne »

notachatbot123 wrote: post #80
yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ lists - Partner deals with search engines - Partner deals with bookmark partners - Partner deals through Direct Match - https://vivaldi.com/blog/privacy-without-compromise-proton-v... How are integrated ads and dispatch of user data to third-parties sustainable sources of income?

Sustainable means those sources of income will continue, not that they are positive for users.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by dismalaf »

tredre3 wrote: post #187
dismalaf wrote: post #103

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https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser... It's open in all of the ways that matter, basically they just want to protect their look and feel.

> It's open in all of the ways that matter I disagree greatly here. I'd argue that the engine is the part that matters the least to users, it's the added UI/UX they want to be able to analyze and modify. Blink won't send my bookmarks and passwords unencrypted to god knows where. The vivaldi UI might. I'd want to see the source for their system. Blink also doesn't have a built-in VPN or remotely togglable experiment s…

> want to be able to analyze and modify

You literally can if you want, it's just JavaScript and CSS, you just can't redistribute it as your own.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by dzjkb »

erxam wrote: post #192
swed420 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google. Follow the money. Ladybird seems to be the only hope, once available.

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shady and slimy? what are you talking about?
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