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OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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Because DRM is primarily used to ensure the content is not shared in a way the owner does not allow. That is not what SynthID is doing. All it does is allow people to know it is a generated image specifically for when it starts to be widely shared on the internet. So strictly speaking brings a lot to the discussion when you actually think about it. Stating that DRM != SynthID is addressing issues where people seem to…

You are making a category error -- "this image made by OpenAI" is a drm assertion You wont be able to assert copyright of the picture that you added an OpenAI red bowtie to, thats a DRM issue.

Is OpenAI claiming IP rights over said image?

If yes => DRM

If no => not DRM

Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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Sorry, but what you’re saying goes beyond the kind of free expression I would respect. Can you tell us what fraud you believe we’re committing, under what law, and based on what evidence? This blog post clearly shows that Deepwalker can break SynthID, which is a closed-source watermarking system.

I mean it's on your own page: https://deepwalker.xyz/use-cases , while not particulary 'fraud', it's definitely in the grey area of what is allowed and definitely breaks ToS. I guess it would be more accurate to say that it enables fraud. It's the same way proxy companies advertise themselves as "validation and data gathering" when in real-world use they're used for botting, ad farms, spamming engagement etc.

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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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post #183

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Sorry, but what you’re saying goes beyond the kind of free expression I would respect. Can you tell us what fraud you believe we’re committing, under what law, and based on what evidence? This blog post clearly shows that Deepwalker can break SynthID, which is a closed-source watermarking system.

I mean it's on your own page: https://deepwalker.xyz/use-cases , while not particulary 'fraud', it's definitely in the grey area of what is allowed and definitely breaks ToS. I guess it would be more accurate to say that it enables fraud. It's the same way proxy companies advertise themselves as "validation and data gathering" when in real-world use they're used for botting, ad farms, spamming engagement etc.

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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but what you’re saying goes beyond the kind of free expression I would respect. Can you tell us what fraud you believe we’re committing, under what law, and based on what evidence? This blog post clearly shows that Deepwalker can break SynthID, which is a closed-source watermarking system.

I mean it's on your own page: https://deepwalker.xyz/use-cases , while not particulary 'fraud', it's definitely in the grey area of what is allowed and definitely breaks ToS. I guess it would be more accurate to say that it enables fraud. It's the same way proxy companies advertise themselves as "validation and data gathering" when in real-world use they're used for botting, ad farms, spamming engagement etc.

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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but what you’re saying goes beyond the kind of free expression I would respect. Can you tell us what fraud you believe we’re committing, under what law, and based on what evidence? This blog post clearly shows that Deepwalker can break SynthID, which is a closed-source watermarking system.

I mean it's on your own page: https://deepwalker.xyz/use-cases , while not particulary 'fraud', it's definitely in the grey area of what is allowed and definitely breaks ToS. I guess it would be more accurate to say that it enables fraud. It's the same way proxy companies advertise themselves as "validation and data gathering" when in real-world use they're used for botting, ad farms, spamming engagement etc.

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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but what you’re saying goes beyond the kind of free expression I would respect. Can you tell us what fraud you believe we’re committing, under what law, and based on what evidence? This blog post clearly shows that Deepwalker can break SynthID, which is a closed-source watermarking system.

I mean it's on your own page: https://deepwalker.xyz/use-cases , while not particulary 'fraud', it's definitely in the grey area of what is allowed and definitely breaks ToS. I guess it would be more accurate to say that it enables fraud. It's the same way proxy companies advertise themselves as "validation and data gathering" when in real-world use they're used for botting, ad farms, spamming engagement etc.

I completely disagree but my full answer gets flagged for no reason. Therefore, this is my last comment on this.

Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it's not useful. I've already seen posts online that were able to be proven as falsified because someone ran the images through Google for SynthID checks. > How old is photoshop and why is it exempt? For one, it's not developed by Google or OpenAI. The barrier to entry to making realistic but deceptive images with Photoshop is far higher than with AI, and there are al…

So 999 people that are just making an image need to be DRM'ed so that you might catch the 1 person making "realistic but deceptive" images... like this is some kind of special case of ... internet images.

And given that governments, large corporations and well funded bad actors will be able to generate non-water marked images this will legitimize AI generated propaganda and scam images as truth. I wouldn't be surprised if a forensic junk science grew up around it to further legitimize it as well.

Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool

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You are making a category error -- "this image made by OpenAI" is a drm assertion You wont be able to assert copyright of the picture that you added an OpenAI red bowtie to, thats a DRM issue.

Is OpenAI claiming IP rights over said image? If yes => DRM If no => not DRM

Yes exactly.

They make a constructive IP assertion with the watermark claim of origin that persists across mutation. (ie the "artist" signs their work)

They then quitclaim the IP assertion via TOS.

These are not equivalent rights and reversions though and now you have an IP encumbered and weird legal state because of the DRM.

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