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Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

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Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

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Isn't the stock market a prediction market as well?

No, a stock is a share of ownership in a company. Now yes, people bet on the derivative value of those ownership shares... but that also happens to basically every asset. If a stock is a prediction market, then so is corn, and gold, and your home.

That's my point. Where to draw the line and why?

Polymarket bad because it's accessible to everyone, futures trading on the CME good because it's only available to the rich?

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

#192
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why must things have a purpose? If something has a purpose, can it be an objective purpose?

When something has negative outcomes, the thing requires justification.

The negative outcome has to be placed on a third, unrelated party that has not consented to having that outcome on them.

If the only negative outcome is on the person who consented (e.g., the gambler), then why should they be denied their choice to participate?

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

#193

> The prohibition extends to services supporting prediction markets, like virtual private networks, that could allow consumers to disguise their location and get around the ban. Yikes. I am all for banning prediction markets but I feel like this is overreaching.

If you don't actually sell someone something illegal, but take them to buy illegal things using the safety of your car so they avoid detection - are you innocent?

Drinking and driving exists and is illegal, but going to the grocery store isn't. Should we do an all or nothing sort of ban, either allowing drunk driving or banning cars altogether? No one would do this - some uses are illegal, most aren't.

A law that allows legal uses of your car but disallows illegal activity isn't all that unheard of.

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

#194

This is great news. From my perspective from someone who grew up in the 90s, America feels like we took the turn towards Biff Tannen's Pleasure Paradise. A future very fa from our promise filled with gambling, social degradation, and worse economic prospects for everyone. Gambling sites like Polymarket are just a symptom. More states need to move in this direction, because its just a tax levied on the uninformed to i…

Good on Minnesota.

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

#195

This is great news. From my perspective from someone who grew up in the 90s, America feels like we took the turn towards Biff Tannen's Pleasure Paradise. A future very fa from our promise filled with gambling, social degradation, and worse economic prospects for everyone. Gambling sites like Polymarket are just a symptom. More states need to move in this direction, because its just a tax levied on the uninformed to i…

Good on Minnesota.

Not even. Minnesota is fine with betting as long as it is tribal betting and lawmakers are getting their share of the cut. Look it up.

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

#196

> The prohibition extends to services supporting prediction markets, like virtual private networks, that could allow consumers to disguise their location and get around the ban. Yikes. I am all for banning prediction markets but I feel like this is overreaching.

Maybe as often, the laws is just a pretext for this little nuget. They innovate for once, not using terrorists or pedophiles, nobody checked.

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

#197

> The prohibition extends to services supporting prediction markets, like virtual private networks, that could allow consumers to disguise their location and get around the ban. Yikes. I am all for banning prediction markets but I feel like this is overreaching.

If you don't actually sell someone something illegal, but take them to buy illegal things using the safety of your car so they avoid detection - are you innocent? Drinking and driving exists and is illegal, but going to the grocery store isn't. Should we do an all or nothing sort of ban, either allowing drunk driving or banning cars altogether? No one would do this - some uses are illegal, most aren't. A law that all…

If you are a taxi company and a bank robber takes a taxi to the bank, are you innocent?

Re: Minnesota becomes first state to ban prediction markets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

90% agree, the CFTC doesn't consider these futures contracts, it regulates them under its "contract market" authority, that Congress designated and updated periodically over time This is the authority on the CFTC's own website on prediction markets "For more information" section https://www.cftc.gov/LearnandProtect/PredictionMarkets https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?hl=false&edition=prelim&... And yes, both the Sup…

Oh interesting, I didn't know that about the contract market authority.

yeah, the agencies are kind of placeholders for oversight that diverges from the agency name and mission statement

Congress lobs tangentially related delegation to existing agencies so you have to check how an authority is rationalized

It gets interesting

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