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Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements

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U of Arizona graduated roughly 10,000 students this weekend. Schmidt could have paid off every student loan for every graduate in full and not even noticed it as a rounding error in his net worth. Would have done so much more for humanity that this vapid speech.

fact that universities admin think this speaker was a good choice also shows how out of touch admin has been

Plural. The fact that the multiple universities admins think it a good idea to invite those speakers shows how out of touch a whole class of people is with society. As of yesterday evening there were three reported booing events on commencement speeches, all having AI as topic. In one case they let AI read out the name of the students to enter the stage for their diploma and the AI forgot a couple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFCNd61FCzY

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Check your schools alumni jobs board postings, and have a look at local telecom offerings. Few will want to spend $50k in resources to train knowing you will jump to a better job in 1 year. These people have been around a long time, and may be able to get you started: https://www.aerotek.com/ Would also recommend talking with companies you find interesting at local trade-shows. Don't get lazy with the online gauntlet…

Sorry, I don't want to sound too blunt, but as someone who's young and fighting in this job market, this kind of advice comes off as the 'Come into the office, look the manager in the eyes and shake his hand' of our age. All of yesterday's clever hacks that helped you get lined up with a job faster are today's bare essentials that everyone knows about. The main issue isn't in finding good jobs, it's that every postin…

In general, there are usually tradeoffs people must make in their academic career path. Unless you are a trust fund kid... the path will become obvious.

1. Take the co-op work terms route, and see your GPA drop 15% to 25%. Yet the 2 terms usually equate to >1 year experience in the field for most HR offices. Yes, the co-op workers will fill the entry level positions first, as those workers are now very inexpensive institutional roles. Also, kids under 28 come with tax credits in many jurisdictions, so the work force churn is high in those firms.

2. Try to enter a graduate program, and discover academic institutions only want kids that qualify for federal funding. Thus, even if you met all the secret credit requirements that differ from your undergraduate degree.... if your GPA is below A- most faculties will just pocket application fees and quietly chuckle at the optimism. See #1 for the choice you already made.

3. Business requirements differ from expected preferences. A few months after people graduate their loans convert into actual debt. This means whatever dreams they have of running off into the sunset are replaced with the brutal desperation of 90k other new graduates with identical skill sets in the wrong area.

i. However, every business has their own internal technology stack, and its often very different from academic programs. No it will not be what people expect unless you knew people that work in the place, and for example almost half of new google hires simply leave the CS hazing within a few months. Engineering firms also want to see a Professional registered seal (or you are still a normy), or the compensation package will start ridiculously low.

ii. People like to see a portfolio with successful artifacts. If your background is some startup that tanked within a few years, it is less meaningful than a year in a FAANG position.

iii. If you rely on online staffing agencies and Ad posts, than expect to compete with the entire planet.

4. Yes it is hard to find a position in an industry wide contraction, and most entry level positions are often a compromise. The automated LLM messaging/screeners waste a lot of peoples time, as both applicants and screeners get flooded with nonsense.

5. If people try to tell hiring firms how they should run their business, than one may expect to get ignored. It is a indicator they are going to be a problem even in training, and a liability later on.

6. Some people are still fantasizing firms will still function with LLM and outsourced labor. These are not places you will want to work at anyway, as sooner or later competition will destroy a cost-optimized development firm.

The negative karma just indicates people aren't interested in discussing this emotional subject.

Best of luck =3

Rule #6: Perspective is earned, and cannot be given freely.

What seems reasonable or lucrative to the naive is not necessarily worth the legal encumbrances or investment risks.

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Mangione was a one-off, and a lot of people understand why he may have done what he did. Just wait until the American version of the French Revolution happens. If AI keeps stealing all the jobs, it will come sooner rather than later.

> and a lot of people understand why he may have done what he did. He didn't understand why he did what he did. > just wait until the American version of the French Revolution happens We should all be trying to actively prevent that. The French Revolution was a complete failure and mostly succeeded in killing poor people and launching Napoleon's wars.

> The French Revolution was a complete failure and mostly succeeded in killing poor people and launching Napoleon's wars

And spreading the early iterations of the liberal democracy y’all love so much.

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Those kids are crazy. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, how could they not be excited and enthusiastic about the future? Most of them will no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (i.e. lower ones). It's a win-win for everyone. The lower prices enabled by automation allow them to stretch their savings or inheritance further befor…

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People are not idiots. AI benefits only the ones at the top of the chain, and the 10% of the rest of us. Are you in the top 10%? No, you typically are in the bottom 90%. So we don't want AI, we don't want the top getting richer at our expenses. We just want a job to bring bread home and keeping pushing our store while being "happy". You take that away from us, just so you can double your net worth, and well, bad thin…

> " Are you in the top 10%? " The answer is obviously yes for the majority of HN readers. Hacker News is a site maintained by a huge venture capital fund for startup founders and employees and other venture capitalists plus a lot employees of FAANG and other big tech. You are preaching against the 10% to the 10%.

>You are preaching against the 10% to the 10% [as one of the top 10%].

A staple of progressive tradition.

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> Maybe cursory knowledge isn't enough, actually. The Civil Rights Act was ultimately only passed because of political violence. Violence by the police against peaceful protestors is what turned public opinion. Violence by political activists did not lead to the Civil Rights Act. You have it backwards.

This is the cursory knowledge I'm referring to - it leaves out extremely pertinent details. The Civil Rights Act did not pass until multiple days of rioting following the assassination of MLK. The peaceful protestors were also only one side of the coin. Their impact relied on being an alternative to the other side, which was not peaceful.

L.B.J. was instrumental in whipping votes for the Civil Rights Act. In his joint address to congress he said "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought so long. He then went on to personally lobby individual senators until it passed.

It think you're the one who has a cursory understanding here.

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Those kids are crazy. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, how could they not be excited and enthusiastic about the future? Most of them will no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (i.e. lower ones). It's a win-win for everyone. The lower prices enabled by automation allow them to stretch their savings or inheritance further befor…

@palmotea: Doesn't matter. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, or nearly so. Most of those kids are no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (lower ones). Who's gonna buy the products and services provided by automated labor? What will prevent a hyperinflation, making savings evaporate? Or do you further envision a mass genocide of…

> Or do you further envision a mass genocide of the poor to go along with this?

When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism.

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@palmotea: Doesn't matter. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, or nearly so. Most of those kids are no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (lower ones). Who's gonna buy the products and services provided by automated labor? What will prevent a hyperinflation, making savings evaporate? Or do you further envision a mass genocide of…

> Or do you further envision a mass genocide of the poor to go along with this? When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism.

@palmotea: When their savings are exhausted, the problem will have a way of "taking care of itself." No gas chambers, no guns, just capitalism.

No conflicts and uprisings? Are you sure? History would suggest people don't go down without a fight.

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