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WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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> I'm sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them That's literally what USAID was providing. Both teaching fish AND also feeding them.

so left hand fighting the right by that logic, either the education/infrastructure work wasn't/isn't working or the aid is too appealing...

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How callously you blame the victims. Remember your humanity.

I'm not blaming victims, I'm blaming those in charge of helping the victims at the first order of blame. how dare you be so callous as to drop to an emotional attack as a discussion point. please look inwards at your sorry self.

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> sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them This is less about feeding a neighbor than digging them a latrine so they stop crapping in your water supply.

and yet they still do. by that logic move away and stop them visiting. conclusion drawn from your arguments...

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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Absolutely not. https://github.com/mbevand/covid19-age-stratified-ifr

in terms of an age corrected population distribution, actually I think you'll find it's lower. that's the whole point of "at risk" in this scenario being mostly age >70yr (or wherever you chose to draw your risk factors) also this is tends to be over-estimating as the reported infection rates are failing to account for asymptomatic carriers which themselves follow an age-based distribution (I'm sorry but as far as a…

>in terms of an age corrected population distribution, actually I think you'll find it's lower

The data I linked is giving IFR for each age band, so that people see the actual data instead of sweeping affirmations like "the IFR is X" or "the IFR isn't X".

The data is also coming from multiple studies, some under very controlled conditions with systematic testing, such as military service recruits, or prisoners.

>Again in very high population countries with poor vaccine rates, uptake and very slow roll-out we didn't end up with hundreds of thousands of bodies stacked high ready to be buried. that unfortunately is a large-scale uncomfortable truth to quite a few.

I leave this here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2021/4/26/mass-funeral-pyr...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/brazil-manaus-...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/ive-seen-too-m...

It is your negation of reality (and the death of so many people) that might be uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable.

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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First hantavirus now this. Look, there's valid reason to be concerned here but people who are fearing a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic are seemingly missing why Covid was a pandemic. Covid spread so much for four main reasons: 1. It could spread airborne; 2. It spread relatively easily. Not quite measles-level of contagiousness but still, pretty good; 3. Unlike something like the flu, there really wasn't any kind of…

> 4. (This is the big one) It would spread when the carrier was asymptomatic.

This was also quickly found to be false. From memory the spread was 98.8% symptomatic, 1.2% pre-symptomatic, and 0% symptomatic. Granted you can't tell pre-symptomatic from asymptomatic beforehand, but with such a low proportion of infections being in that category it shouldn't have been a concern.

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> read elsewhere that this strain is less deadly than previous strains "Case fatality rates in the past two [Bundibugyo virus disease] outbreaks, reported in Uganda and in DRC in 2007 and 2012, have ranged from approximately 30% to 50%" [1]. Given "as of 15 May, a total of 246 suspected cases and 80 deaths" were reported, the current disease's 33% fatality rate is in the historic range. [1] https://www.who.int/emerge…

Lower fatality rate (and longer gestation times) are things that make a disease spread farther (not necessarily faster -but we take care of that, with international travel). The OG Ebola had almost 100% fatality rate, and a short gestation time (I think only a few days). It didn't spread too far. The one that killed a few thousand people, though, had about a 50% fatality rate, and I think its gestation period was a b…

> COVID, I believe, had about a 1% rate, in the OG variant, and that brought the world to a standstill.

The claims that caused lockdowns were 3-10% death rate.

The world was brought to a standstill primarily due to massive fearmongering. The earliest high rates came from three things: Conflation of "infection" and "case", rationing of tests to people doctors were already pretty sure had been exposed (suppressing the denominator and inflating the rate), and biased samples (for example the Diamond Princess cruise ship was weighted towards the most susceptible population and maxed out 1.2% a month after the lockdowns had begun).

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The only actually serious one on that list is Covid, and the title and the nyt are lying, they declared an international emergency, not a global one, there is no chance this spreads outside of sub-saharan Africa.

>The only actually serious one on that list Based on what? The final body count? This isn't a weather forecast, people and ressources flew towards making sure these emergencies didn't spiral into global pandemics. You are falling face first into the preparedness paradox.

How much effort was thrown at each one in dollars or hours? Can you fill in that context?

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There are a million viruses that can mutate. That's not really an argument for anything.

There aren't million of viruses that are as deadly as ebola

But they can mutate to be as deadly as Ebola.

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> People with the flu tend to self-isolate showing symptoms. Do you have any other fantasy tales you’d like to tell?

Yea, I recently caught flu from someone else that "could not miss their work". So these things don't really apply well to the US at all.

The US has poor employee regulations though, most other well developed nations have figured out people being sick at work doesn't help.

In Australia, full-time employees (38 hours or more a week) will grant you 10 sick days a year. You can use this at effectively any time (Some employers may request medical certificates for consecutive days) but when using it, you are paid your full normal rate for the hours you are away from work for. Once you run out of sick leave, you can then use "unpaid sick leave", which is exactly what you expect.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/sick-and-carers-leave

Re: WHO declares Ebola outbreak a global health emergency

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First hantavirus now this. Look, there's valid reason to be concerned here but people who are fearing a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic are seemingly missing why Covid was a pandemic. Covid spread so much for four main reasons: 1. It could spread airborne; 2. It spread relatively easily. Not quite measles-level of contagiousness but still, pretty good; 3. Unlike something like the flu, there really wasn't any kind of…

Most people don't think COVID-19 was/is "fake" per se. Most people just think the situation was overblown.

It is a sickness most analogous to the common cold or flu. Both of which suck, both of which you SHOULD self-isolate for, although the conditions, spread and death toll is effectively the same (or lesser) than that of the cold or flu. Which no matter how you spin it, the Global restrictions were too harsh.

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