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OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by RevEng »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #144
zxornand wrote: post #5

And was he 5x more productive in those 30d than a years worth of a dev making 200k/yr? Doubtful lol, dudes killing the environment just for fun at this point.

Yes, because doing things 12x faster is extremely valuable. How much do you think companies would pay to do things 12x faster? Your competitors take a year to ship a feature that you can ship in a month

Generating 12x the amount of code/commits/releases isn't a useful metric. That could just as easily be 12x more code to maintain or iterations needed to get it working. Products are measured by the value they provide, not by the resources it cost to create them.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by RevEng »

vessenes wrote: post #86
yygt wrote: post #83

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Ah here he is, the bozo who posts with bluster caught out again

https://www.getpanto.ai/blog/openclaw-ai-platform-statistics — which open source platforms / projects are you aware of that have this level of deployment roughly 8 months from launch?

So it's hyped? Lots of deployment doesn't mean lots of value, especially in the midst of a bubble larger than any we have ever seen before.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by andrekandre »

onion2k wrote: post #50
wolttam wrote: post #40

Nobody here talking about what this represents for demand on these models, if these numbers aren’t made up. One person using 600B tokens in a month. The most I’ve hit is around 500M tokens and I thought that was a huge amount. We’re going to have some major compute shortages for a while

Jensen Huang was saying humanity is going to need 1000x the current energy production in the future. He might not be wrong.

  > humanity is going to need 1000x the current energy production
and all that heat is going to go where?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

Grosvenor wrote: post #94
Terretta wrote: post #49

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Even at unlimited budget, there is a crossover where outsourcing thinking to the machine costs more than the machine. What I mean by this: 1. Intern, analyst, junior, or offshore level coding is cheaper when done by the machine. // Side note: There is good reason the industry invests in suboptimal output from this set which moves to the "cost" column when using an LLM, but nobody's accounting for that. 2. For the int…

> I would expect that within a couple years, these other disciplines can be baked in enough the machine costs less for everything but surprises. They already are. I’m successfully using frameworks like bmad to deliver complex apps at that level. My job is to manager the see, as, ux, sre processes and catch errors. I spend more time refinding prd , epics and stories than I do elbows deep in code. If I don’t like the o…

> I spend more time refinding prd , epics and stories than I do elbows deep in code.

And do you enjoy this more than writing code? I used to look forward to writing code, solving these little optimization puzzles, learning, and staying sharp. Working with agents is dreadful in comparison. They lie, rarely learn, and I feel like a proctor.

Sure, you sometimes get to see something amazing, but usually I am just very annoyed by their performance and ever-changing but never-ending billing issues. First, with Claude Code, now with Codex, which was fine for a minute, but now I am out of tokens for the majority of time. (I don't have the income for those Pro INTx plans.)

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by customguy »

browningstreet wrote: post #176
iejwjw wrote: post #166

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And? The reality is if the thing can’t survive financially without being subsidised in the long run - it deserves to die. There is no trend showing that these expensive things exist in the long run in this manner. - it’s pure speculation and for many: hopes and dreams.

RIP Linux kernel then Who knew it was that simple..?

> What problems is this solving?

It's a very simple question, the subthread you created based on reducing everything to "he did a thing" and calling the comment you didn't interact with at all "agonizing".

Why not rather leave it at "they wrote a comment"? What is so hard to understand about that, to use your words?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by shepherdjerred »

overfeed wrote: post #189
shepherdjerred wrote: post #184

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I wonder if compilers were ever considered 'slop' If these methods prove successful it isn't going to matter. A user doesn't care if code is 'slop' or artisanal, so long as the app/site/whatever works. If you can combine autonomous flows (and millions of dollars in tokens) to produce work comparable to a traditional engineering team, then why would the user care which wrote the app/site/whatever?

If.

You think humans are going to be writing code in 100 years?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by overfeed »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #196
overfeed wrote: post #189

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If.

You think humans are going to be writing code in 100 years?

Yeah, of course hunans will still be writing code in a 100 years. I am certain we still won't have flying cars either.

Agricultural mechanisation didn't eliminate human labor over the 20th century. A huge fraction of the world's farmers have little or no mechanization today, well over a century after the invention of the revolutionary farm tractor.

With apologies to Ada Lovelace, but humanity has been writing code in anger for only like, 80 years? We'll still be at it in a 100 more.

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Post by MadxX79 »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #170
impulser_ wrote: post #74

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I would bet money Anthropic and OpenAI are actually profitable on inference. The problem is they have to spend large sums of money to train models that are essentially worthless after a few months.

Dario explicitly stated this in an interview. They make more money from inference than they do training the model, but then the next model gets so much more expensive to train so their annual figures have been in the red.

So, it's like if they were a pharma company that was barely profitable if you didn't take into account R&D costs?
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